UnbornTao

Great journal, inspiring. Frequently this seems to be the case: Practice > theory.

You need to experience something new! That is to say, merely going through the motions in your mind isn’t the point of growth or consciousness. You have to encounter, see, notice - become aware of - something new within your experience. To experience something differently - toward greater clarity, freedom, and truth.

You can discuss these things in your own journal thread, through DM, or in your posts, and even start a specific abuse case thread if you'd like. Overall, keep the forum focused on promoting growth and consciousness. But thanks for the heads-up.

I think it would be useful to start fresh: What is struggle? Is it actually essential? If so, to what degree? Can some of it be unnecessarily generated? And then contemplate from there.

@Ishanga @OBEler stop it already.

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And it seems to apply to living beings in general; we humans are just very prolific at it. It goes deeper than resisting one's experience, doesn't it? Asking "What within our experience isn't completely at ease and free?" creates a contrast to better see the dynamic of struggle.

I'd say you do, for the most part, not as blame but as fact. For example: Doesn't it seem that in the very act of dividing things into good and bad experiences -- which is necessary for you, by the way -- it already gives rise to struggle, among other things that you do? A rock doesn't seem to struggle. Why is that? What is the case for us such that struggle can occur?

Stop the drama already.

I’d suggest that survival isn’t just an ancillary process, it is your life. The experience you’re having right now is survival in action. For instance, consider that your very perception itself is a survival occurrence. Sorry I'm not addressing the play part in here. Might do that at a later time.

Uh-oh.

It's much more profound than a mere manifestation or a psychological explanation.

"Is there room for one more?"

Notice that it is much more than just an intellectual exercise. You center yourself on your current experience, and get real with yourself. If you haven't experienced it, you don't act as if you have. You aren't artificially adopting ideas and affectations for any reason but are instead willing to search for what is true, regardless of your conceptions, presumptions, or opinions about the subject matter. You keep your feet on the ground--on functional perceptions.

"God, who is asking the question?"

@Rigel Nice! Go have some insights.

It would be a matter of you serving something that isn't yourself, not something else serving yourself, as if.

@Davino Cute. What's our conscious experience in the matter when all is said and done? That's the key.

Sure.

I wasn't dismissing thought but rather pointing out its inadequacy when it comes to grasping infinity. We really live as if our notions, wants, experience, can be a consciousness of it. Take into account beliefs can straight up generate experiences and states so that they are self-confirming and consistent with one's worldview. "What is my experience in the matter? Is this a state, perception, conviction, concept? When everything else is set aside: What am I for real?" I bring this up because you is still held as your self -- localized, embodied.

I'd start with experience: thinking about eating isn't the same as eating. So, we notice a difference here. But it is a good question. As an analogy, no matter how big a cup is, it will never be able to hold the entirety of the ocean. Hence the assertion that what existence is can't be thought. Yet, we still confuse about it with it. We can remain open, though, and go after breakthroughs.

@Nilsi There's also the tendency to mistake fluency in "spiritual" language with having had insight for yourself. The latter is not so easily come by.

Good question.