UnbornTao

Keep track of the purpose for the interaction during the whole process.

Communication is based on authentic experience. Without a real experience to get across, what are you going to do? Contrast that with everything else that passes for communication -- looking to produce an effect on conditions, which is in reality manipulating. I do something (condition) to produce a result (effect). A very concrete example of manipulation: I speak eloquently about a cosmology that I hold (condition) so that you get impressed by how intelligent I am (effect). Don't limit the communication to the example/s given. For communication to occur, I simply get across an experience of mine as it is, so that you listen to (experience) it. Listening, on the other hand, demands having an experience that's foreign to you, as it is not yours but another's.

Is this for real?

Ramana.

Effectiveness seems to be increased to the degree to which you get yourself out of the way. Recognizing whenever one's actions get off-purpose and then immediately correcting requires paying careful attention to every step of the process.

Why do things always seem to or appear as? What's up with that? How come that, when looked closely at, things are less certain and fixed than initially thought? I'm getting in touch with a sense of deep discomforting uncertainty that seems to lie at the heart of the human condition. This sense is factual; it may be felt as a background malady to be shunned, avoided, ignored.

An inaccurate analogy related to enlightenment and how no method is direct. Enlightenment is like: catching your shadow taking steps in order to arrive at where you now are building a bridge to get to where you are now an eye seeing itself biting your teeth You can't find yourself within your experience, which is the only "place" we can look in, and at the same time you can become conscious of your nature.

Well, be honest, or refuse the question. "None." "My religion is science." Or whatever.

Some sort of poisonous Mr. Burns' fruit. No idea.

Try to shift towards the place where you are the source of, and cause in the matter in, your experience. This is hinting at the principle of responsibility. For example, be the source of your joy. Contemplate what experiencing that would take.

Ok, thank you.

You might not be your self, but ok. Hey, enjoy your process.

Haha, what I'm saying is that the way you relate to something can cause unnecessary suffering.

I'm suggesting that you might be doing something similar to that.

I could take an experience of a simple headache and turn it into a fantastical story where I'm either a hero, a victim, etc. When having a headache: "I feel my kundalini awakening, it's real and it's my baseline, I feel it, it is prior to my brain, my body resists the experience, I can't do anything about it. But what does it mean? My third chakra has awakened. It feels like my sense of self is concentrated on the back of my head and might dissolve in one and a half weeks. The sensation is caused by my intense meditation session that I did yesterday, and because I ran naked on the street on a cold winter evening. My self is expanding into infinity, and I know it's real because it's there, I feel it, even though there's pain. My body loves the energy that's being rushing to my brain, and it seems to sustain it. Feels good." And I might well experience that as real. Thanks to the cosmology that I hold, I turned a headache into a wonderful kundalini awakening. Now I'm this higher being, able to expand my self thanks to that remarkable realization. And it was just a headache to begin with.

What way am I being such that I seem to be stuck in this "place", situation or set of circumstances? What way am I being: ... such that I'm coming at this (experience, event, person, object) the way I am (powerful, weak, afraid, brave, reserved, curious, confrontational, whatever)? On another note, the following dynamic might be self-validating: I assume X about myself, act like X, so am perceived by others as X, which then validates my conviction that I'm indeed X. Are you?

@Danioover9000 @Carl-Richard @zurew In short, what are they talking about?

Stop making shit up. Are you willing to listen and to experience something new, or do you want to keep resisting and insisting on your way of going about this? Are you open to moving from the position you find yourself in, or is this just complaining?

Relatable. Entire sequence:

@Sugarcoat Why do you assume so much stuff? Interpretation may lie behind the experiencing of anything. The body works fine on its own. Resistance can be let go of. Does it objectively exist, or is it an activity? Embrace and turn into, the experience. Discover what's actually there.

What roles do you take on in relation to others? What do you assume about yourself, and about the ways in which others should perceive you? "I have to be, play or show up as... feared, intimidating knowledgeable intelligent a problem stupid, dumb ignorant funny, comical, sarcastic loved liked admired cool macho righteous masculine feminine the princess innocent doormat entertaining agreeable, approved of disagreeable ashamed doubtful, hesitant, reluctant charismatic vague, abstract mysterious, mystical spiritual, hippie, "enlightened", liberal religious conservative withdrawn, aloof, uninterested, detached inquiring, skeptical apathetic overbearing, controlling, dominant disillusioned the rebel, "bad" nice, good boy or girl the lone wolf seen, center of attention endearing vulnerable distant unexpected the victim cynical crazy, "on edge", disconcerting timid" etc. What you assume about yourself determines core aspects of your character and behavior. It founds your relationships.

about is not it. A reaction is different from the thing being reacted to.

@Sugarcoat Well, stop it. Which is to say, get conscious of what the activity is doing. For example in the way you interpret events. Then you'll drop it naturally. Enjoy it either way as you're getting something out of it. Whatever it is you're going through, the way you relate to it may be causing unnecessary suffering. If you hold yourself as the victim of uncontrollable event, well, again, enjoy the ride. Doesn't it sound like it gets you something? It is something you've decided to take up. Grasp it as what it is, see it as unnecessary, then the soap opera can be let go of. The body works perfectly on its own regardless of self. Lighten up. You are already you and have always been, whatever that is. As an alternative shift, focus on moving towards what you want to experience and create.

To be honest I don't care about this topic, but that something is natural doesn't mean it has to take healthy forms. You're talking about something else. Whatever.

What's natural is the drive to have sex. Heterosexuality is the norm but I think both sexual predispositions have occurred throughout history.