UnbornTao

Good, good.

First, learn to tell your ass from a hole in the ground

That's what I like to hear!

Yep, BS. Stop believing in yourself first.

What the hell is that?

Not sure. Be with them, love them. No need to tell them anything particularly "special," in my view.

Sort of. The point is likely still being missed, as one may still be operating from an intellectual world, as you alluded to. Have you seen cult members and their thinking and apparent certainty in the adopted doctrine's tenets? Consider that this might be a possibility here: believing stuff - certainly good-sounding and affirming stuff, though. It might even make one feel good. Or perhaps, in other words, you can easily make up shit in your mind. Chances are it is heavily biased, subjective, and based on wishful thinking.

That is... probably why you think that psychedelics increase consciousness.

Yeah you guys are full of it.

The guy is probably parroting Ramana. I'd try to grasp what the original guy was trying to teach.

And after this nice conversation, remember to drop whatever you think you understand, and contemplate things for real - without opinion or assumption interfering.

Yeah, I don't think my point landed. Fuck them both.

@Davino Not specifically. It's a general tendency I've noticed, and I included myself in that. Yeah, that relates to my point. Talk is very cheap. It went over your head. It's the same kind of BS as thinking one has grasped what Ramana was trying to communicate. That disparity, or gap, is what I'm trying to draw attention to. If this were a religion, one would be looking for ways to validate it, and eventually one might even succeed in doing so. The self-assuredness doesn't mean anything. This often takes the form of a purely intellectual endeavor. As such, it's a rather artificial ground from which to approach the work.

People rarely tell the truth. Don't you ever get the feeling that you're full of it sometimes? That what you're up to is often a form of intellectual pretension?

And the Lord said, Let there be wind; and there was wind.

Fair, though I'm not sure about the quality of 3d printed books.

@CARDOZZO 💪

I was being sarcastic, to be clear.

Calm down.

Like a good follower. Well said.

And the appeal of adopting such a worldview (because it is going to be a worldview) is that you get to place yourself as the sole arbiter of truth, of course. You devil. 😈

You know, apart from Ramana, one of the greats was Adi Da, and you know what he said about the drugs in relation to becoming conscious. Actualized.org Deception Awakening? And this was a sober one! Personally verified.

I don't know about that. Hopefully it's real for you. In any case, it's very easy to deceive oneself in all kinds of ways. We seem to do that all the time. Often, thinking oneself enlightened or awakened most likely comes from a conceptual world - we just have a hard time discerning what is thought to be true from what is actually true. Something other than oneself - the truth - would have to be the arbiter of that assessment. This trips us off in part because we confuse a claim about what's believed to be true with whatever is actually the case. As for the "natural" part, not sure what to say. A psychedelic experience or a particular state may not be awakening, so that's that - if that's what you were implying by "artificial."

You guys are funny.