UnbornTao

@Basman I told you I'd dedicate my second RD2 playthrough to you . Finally finished it.

It wasn't related to anything you said.

Pointing out bullshit - the form of love that nobody likes (and so isn't perceived as such).

Cats are truly superior to us apes.

haha

Wrong. That ain't enlightenment or awakening but most likely a change in mind state precipitated by the chemical. See what I mean? You somehow keep missing this. Oh well, c'est la vie. Blind leading the blind. @CARDOZZO Sounds about right. I wouldn't get too hung up on "roads" either.

Shure you do, shure you do.

You think you understand him or Adi Da. I recommend you put down the salvia for a time.

Oh, you did. "His" methods equally apply to the nature of this "direct" business. You probably already knew that, weren't paying enough attention, or deliberately misrepresented it to make your argument.

Did you really have to resort to lying to defend your little position? I wouldn't assume you guys are talking about the same things at all, or doing the same work - or that you understand him lol. That will be quite misleading for people who can't tell the difference - which is apparently most.

@Joshe 🤩🤩

Here, drink some chamomile tea.

You said it - regarding the quote. No reason to see methods as anything other than fabricated. Disliking or being discouraged by this reality is another matter.

It doesn't really matter how many times it's said, does it? I literally fell into and believed this fantasy, and I got myself out of it. I take no prisoners. This is a trap I wrote about years ago - of denigrating awakening to an experience. Let me ask you: were you "awakened" before you went down this drug path? Or did you turn to them because you thought they would awaken you? Extremely crucial point, do not overlook it! Nobody said that about enlightenment. But it's clear you're talking about chemically induced states, like with the mickey mouse. Whatever name is given, realizing the truth is not a function of the brain. I've personally derived this insight. Yet for some reason, you remain unwilling to seriously listen to and examine these points.

Including methods.

True. I made an assumption. It's possible it is not correct. On the other hand...

All philosophies are mental fabrications. There has never been a single doctrine by which one could enter the true essence of things. ― Avatamsaka Sutra

@Leo Gura You might want to check this one. @Questioning Mark

Let the suckups stand up.

Obsidian, definitely.

@Sincerity Who here has seriously taken up both stances? Most of you believe Leo, and the hope of a pill to awakening is all too enticing to neglect or seriously question, despite what is said by people who know what they're talking about (I know you have your excuses not to listen to them, but come on). I've done the drugs, too. But I no longer do the "fantasy" involved here, which I used to believe in. Again, I also confidently believed in it and conjured up stories about my "awakenings." Not anymore. I could've convinced people and talked in such a way so that I'd have come across as awakened. You only need to make that impression on people by coming across a certain way. And gullible people would confuse the assertiveness for the reality - or lack thereof - of it as long as it affirmed their own dispositions and images. And you'd have believed me - you'd have loved it, in fact. You'd have felt warm and cozy and validated in your worldview, part of a community reaching out for "the truth." Whatever is true and the case at any level, it starts by calling things by their name. What exists? What is taking place? What is factual? What is memory? These are questions that point at the pursuit of the truth. What are lying and misrepresentation? What are fantasy and wishful thinking? What is a cult? What is anything? This contrasts with what we think or feel about these matters. I'm pointing out this gap or disparity because it seems people here tend to ignore it. But it's too big of a gap, I've recently come to understand. You've already noticed my reluctance to provide a simplistic view of the world for the mind to piece these things together and so have the feeling of understanding. But yes, I'm not enlightened now. It's a possibility of directly grasping one's nature, and I base it on my past realizations. Right now it could be said that it is a conceptual placeholder. It's not an experience. Why do you think I keep repeating this? Because it's still overlooked and goes over one's head. Direct consciousness isn't a function of the brain. Without the fantasy, no one here is either really, from what I can tell. Maybe Leo might have had a few enlightenments, but I don't know. He likes to think of himself as more awake than what comes across to me. I know this is a weird thing to say and that most will probably not get where I'm coming from or why I'm saying that to begin with, especially given that the only things they have for making that assessment are the words, behavior, and expression of someone (to which their reactions are ones of liking and feeling good, which doesn't help). If you ask, I'll respond with 'magic', 'intuition', or just paying attention. Bringing this up here is a waste of time. Thanks for warning me @kieranperez. I probably should go the same route as you.

The dead horse is 'listening'. Because it seems to me that you're burying your head in the sand on this topic.

I'm not sure what you mean. To be clear, I've already surpassed the reverential phase. It might take some time, though. If you want another cult for a change, listen to Adi Da. These guys are brought up for a reason. You already believe Leo, so at least give them a chance.

Too much to unpack here.

Are you being sarcastic or not? I'm not saying this is necessarily untrue, just asking.