UnbornTao

Yes, this is what's proclaimed on paper, as usual - and then there's what people actually do, and what the communications tend to actively encourage.

You were the one mentioning science, which is a form of language. But it is deep (that's what she..) Language creates mind and so on. What's an experience of the world without language? It can't even be conceived in the first place.

Hmm, 4 and 12, and perhaps 15.

I don't, and you should consider that it isn't, despite liking it. Cultism is a powerful drug.

Yes, hence the question below the video. From what I gather, his point is more fundamental than that, it's about language. The same might well apply to perceiving and being aware and cognizant, and this is what we end up calling what existence IS.

Hey, pass the Kool-Aid!

That's what's called (by us), so due to consensus and agreement, there is something called grass - in English. But as you say, the thing itself, whatever it is, could be thought of as ineffable. Sounds good. Whenever you're aware of something, that's already been distinguished, it is a particular thing, prior to language and even conceptualizing. Emotion is actually based on the latter. Yes, and again, language seems to occur afterwards. I'm not talking about the word 'grass' being invented but the recognition or awareness of it as something in particular.

Ah, BS. Your body will slowly get used to longer periods of sitting. You just have to do it. You can also meditate while walking, cooking, etc. Awakening isn't really the aim of meditation; it's generally directed at calming and focusing the mind and shifting to a more relaxed state.

Haha, yep. Where the drugs at?

Poetry.

@r0ckyreed You're barking up the wrong tree here.

Sure.

Have you ever been angry without apparent external triggers? You can actually do this. What does this say about your role in that?

The presumed realness or validity is implicit in your having it (thinking it). This is not the same as a frivolous activity that's commonly thought of as thinking, like talking to oneself internally, or intellectualizing. At a very basic level you don't seriously "think" that what you "think" is false, because, among other things, you don't recognize your beliefs, particularly the deep-seated ones, as beliefs. "I'm already experiencing and perceiving reality as it is. What else?"

Yes, you experience the urge. The urge comes from you. Say you got angry because I insulted you just now, but I had the wrong person - I meant to call the person behind you an idiot. Are you still angry? Just a simple exercise.

If you recognize and then set aside everything you think is true (believe), you might be left with a deep sense of uncertainty or openness, so go do that.

We could do this all day. If I'm understanding you correctly, you mean the experience of grass? "Grass" for you would be a different experience than for everyone else if you were blind, or didn't know of its existence at all. Even before language there would be some learned correlation or distinction between that thing and that other thing. I'd say this faculty of recognition is not a function of language, although it does add to the experience of objects. Sounds good. Some additions, just for fun: "Grass" isn't a fact of the universe. You had to learn it, recognize it, differentiate it. Imagine how humans lived prior to the development of the conceptual mind. It might not have been a given at all. It might have been invented. And then it became a given. I'm just using the mind as an example. It's likely that by "the thing by itself" we still mean our cognition of it, our experience of it. We may be trying to open the door to some kind of direct encounter with being, independent of perception. Tricky.

Not sure "irritation" is the most appropriate term here, but I take your point. What's underneath the desire to destroy? If I insulted you, where in your experience would you find anger? (As if.) In any case, you can see that these, by themselves, don't demand a response. I bet you've experienced this at least once: being angry, and then suddenly not. So what's up with that?

There is slop, and then there's whatever this thing is.

Countless explanations can be given, but what is your actual experience of the emotion?

Let's keep the proselytizing going:

😁 Why won't you let me proselytize to you already? 😡