UnbornTao

Maharshi died of cancer. What you are is independent of your self. Thinking that the relative can produce enlightenment is like thinking that drinking coffee within a dream can wake you up.

Beautiful ?

Power - the ability to make things happen and to manipulate people/circumstances effectively. @Ya know @Leo Gura ??

Enlightenment is about the truth. Healing is about well-being. Different paths with overlapping aspects that can complement each other. I didn't imply that they're mutually exclusive. Can you clarify what you meant by the second sentence?

Enlightenment isn't the result of a process. It happens now, suddenly. Contemplation is the most direct method. But it isn't thought of as the activity that produces it. Because there is none. Spiritual practices help us focus our attention and relax, deepening one's ability to contemplate. Such practices are useful in that regard.

Becoming aware and becoming conscious are distinct. Historically, there have been enlightened warriors who killed people. What is that model referring to? Hawkins assigns an emotion to a level of consciousness. Nice cosmology. Awakening is independent of relative things -- emotions, in this case.

You're conflating enlightenment with healing. Those are different pursuits, with different focus and results. Psychedelics can assist healing and, indirectly, enlightenment work too. But they'll never lead to nor cause it.

@Thought Art I think the argument here is that, unless your mind makes them up, degrees don't exist for themselves out there. There's only Consciousness. Without a mind to interpret and make sense, degrees don't emerge by themselves. Which isn't to say that realization is an off/on switch.

@Salvijus Those terms (consciousness and awareness) are often used interchangeably. A vague use of them can be problematic. The author makes a clear distinction between them while others don't most of the time. If you fail to differentiate between them, you may then believe that dramatically increasing awareness is the same as becoming enlightened.

You produce it. Contemplation is what happens while you're becoming conscious.

Because psychedelics don't produce it. The only way to know what enlightenment is is to become enlightened for yourself.

@Carl-Richard nice ?

Openness manifests as child-like qualities which our collective arrogance tries to shun off. Authentic curiosity and vulnerability may be considered weaknesses in social interactions. Being a grown-up is considered to involve removal of innocence. Of course, we know that it's an act. The arrogance of knowledge: humanity often thinks it has it figured out. Certainty prevents openness. In the future, we might find that what we fervently believed was wrong or inaccurate, after all. This is what science is constantly up do: like on a car trip, whatever the current landscape is seen through the window is considered true. Then, the landscape changes. Things we were certain about: The earth was flat Some women were witches The earth was the center of the universe The bare truth most of the time is that we didn't know. As a collective, we're pretty averse to acknowledging that. That act of bravery, in which dear beliefs are let go of, opens up the possibilities for genuine contemplation and research. The wise confront not-knowing and are comfortable basking in it.

@DocWatts Thanks man

@Carl-Richard @DocWatts Do you guys have a list of resources to learn all of this from?

Works for me on Chrome and Brave mobile (both Chromium-based).

Jurassic era.

Apparently, he will. May have mentioned it on the last episode.

Bots, it seems.

OK. Sasha Shulgin

Lol not Sasha Grey. What was that guy called? What was I thinking? ?

Elaborate your stance please. Brendan has contemplated a lot. He also has had enlightenment experiences and tried 5-MeO. He said that that's not it. Why weren't Timothy Leary and Shasha Grey enlightened? They consumed psyches. extensively. The former was especially committed to using them in order to become enlightened. However, he ultimately didn't achieve it.

Then you're invalidating the possibility of drugs producing enlightenment. Enlightenment happens now.

Thnks

Start by recognizing there's nothing wrong with you as a being. Also, pursue life-long learning and personal development for their own sake. Your motivation should be a positive one, to become conscious and develop mastery. Do not ground yourself on a negative purpose. I mean, you can but it isn't recommended. Also: When are you going to be happy? Be happy now, and grow as a person. They are not mutually exclusive.