UnbornTao

This probably came across as aggressive.

Mind your own business.

- Show me your mind. - ... - I thought so.

I created the need, and it fostered a good discussion. They were the same thing; now they are two concepts - already differentiated. We're sharpening our skills here.

Seems that way. Deception can be applied to everyday matters, too - like what kind of information you listen to and believe in. As far as I can tell, this has little to do with direct experience.

Are you self-deceived when you trust an AI video to be from a real human, or just wrong? Even without motivated, misleading interpretations, you can just make mistakes.

When you believe a reliable source that turns out to be wrong, for example. Plain 'honest' ignorance. Not having enough information. Making mistakes - scientific, mathematical. It seems to me, these don't necessarily imply that one is self-deceived. Self-deception may require something extra. Ignoring evidence, for example.

Not really. I was doubting whether the claim is true or not. After all, two different terms are used. It seems to me you can be wrong without being self-deceived. The deepest deception is implicit and occurs in the background without us knowing. It isn't usually a deliberate or willful manipulation but a more subtle process.

Hmmmm... I'll believe you, master.

I meant self-deceived, not wrong.

Not excluding anyone from that category - that's the use of the phrase.

It ain't that deep. It may not occur to people that this fact applies to you as well - it's a reminder that you're not special.

@Carl-Richard France - Spain England - Argentina

It's probably the biggest roadblock, and I feel there's always more to uncover on that front. The depth of it is staggering. To tell the truth about something, you first have to realize or experience what it is, ontologically.

We deceive ourselves

There are probably people out there who simply are not addicted to their phones, but I see what you mean, thanks for the suggestion.

Shoot, I initially read 'lasagna.' In the Intellectual subforum, no less. Isn't the UI a bit distracting? The menus and options are all over the place. I do like the originality, though.

You can just turn off your phone.

Avoid getting distracted by the masterful choreography.

What if we apply this principle to everything that is conceived and perceived?

Good, keep it up!

Historically accurate, too.

@Hiluy It'd be hilarious if you were a bot.

Is this guy AI, Leo?

AInception?