UnbornTao

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The principle still applies.

Meh. You can always speak and behave consistently with the ideals of what others commonly hold as "higher consciousness." This doesn't necessarily mean that it is true and real and based on genuine consciousness. It just means that you like what you are told, and that your images of awakening and similar are validated. Adopting behaviors that don't come naturally in order to appear more conscious than one actually is - that is pretending.

I think you are comparing apples and oranges. The point of "becoming conscious" in this context is that you are in touch with the nature of something beyond any possible state or condition you might be in. Whether you have cancer, are bored or angry, you are "conscious" of the subject matter, and circumstances shouldn't alter that fact if it is a solid apprehension. By "consciousness", it seems to me that people generally refer to their experience and the ability of their minds to make sense of it - cognition, in other words. When we inspect our own experiential understanding very soberly, we observe that we are quite sloppy in our distinctions among each of these, which suggests we may not know what we are really talking about. We can't even make an honest assessment in the first place, as we're likely to still be operating intellectually or "philosophically", failing to see what is in front of us - in our experience. It might be that when sick, our "bodily" and mental attention is more fully focused on the present moment, although I don't call this "becoming more conscious" but rather being mindful, sensitive, paying attention. That said, whatever increases one's sensibility in that domain of experience is certainly a welcome change.

Hmm, reasonable questions. So: Who's angry? Why would you be angry? What are you angry about? Something to look into.

There's a discussion going on in this thread about anger: Also, fuck you. -- That said, why do you get angry? How do you see people and situations such that the end result is one of feeling angry? (Not that anger is good or bad, mind you.) Also, besides suppressing it or enacting it, can you feel it without acting it out? Obviously it seems convincing to us that, especially with our more volatile emotions, others or "the world" are at fault, and we're just simply reacting - as victims to the stimulus. This might not be entirely true, even though we may strongly believe this is the case.

Our problem is how we're holding our conception of these things, and not knowing that (or when) they are conceptions. State comes and goes. "State of consciousness," from the way you talk, is what I'd call state of mind, cognition, experience. This is rather essential to the discussion, as it strikes at the heart of the matter. You may well think that Ramana getting drunk, following a certain breathing pattern, taking some drug, being knocked "unconscious" (etc., etc.) would either "increase" or "decrease" his "consciousness." It's generally assumed that awakening is some sort of experience or state - a grandiose feeling, a state of bliss and peace, a shift in our awareness, a new perception of some kind. I follow your logic, and it sounds reasonable, but it is based on flawed assumptions. As I postulated, maybe not even dying made a difference for Maharshi in this context. On his deathbed, while his followers mourned his coming passing, he said something like: Where do you think I'll go? So what are we talking about? How can that realization be an experience or state? It is not possible to "find" or "cause" awakening in your experience, which is the place you'll look - and at the same time it is also possible, but this possibility is not logical or known. No practice or action does it as it is not a conditioned experience. Experience is all we have and know - all we are aware of. The actions you take are activities to engage in while waiting for the leap. And what causes the leap? Mu? Perhaps not the best question. If you see someone promising enlightenment, or a "path" to awakening, I'd be wary of them - especially if they guarantee it. Most likely they're selling what people want - a pleasing, hopeful story - and as so-called spiritual people, we're no strangers to such things. I recommend you look for the other threads on this topic. Be one of the first here to actually put them to use.

@Miguel1 Our farts smell so much better. Spiritual farts.

I mean, obviously.

Is it, though? Seems to me like the anger is meant to manage the pain. Left alone, the hurt is just that - pain, and does not by itself imply or necessitate anger. That is, the pain comes first, the manipulation of anger, second. Feeling like a victim might occur at any point and throughout the process, yet it does not seem to be a requirement here (although we usually regard the anger to be caused by something else other than ourselves, so on a tacit 'victimization' feeling we agree.)

Solid advice - which doesn't necessarily mean that anger is "right" either; it's an emotion. A question to look at is: What is it? It's a pretty fundamental emotion. Hurt, in one form or another, underlies it.

Should have said that sooner.

Shit, not bad

Haha, good one. You got me pegged!

Ahhh, love it! It'll keep happening no matter how many times it's said, particularly when one thinks one is already over this dynamic or understands it.

I came across this unlisted video while doing some research. It is a sharp observation. (And notice that, at the same time, they still largely fell into the trap they were cautioning against) This can be an extremely subtle and insidious dynamic - in many different domains. Do you think this video, and the very need and impulse to believe, doesn't currently apply to you?

The self-reinforcing nature of belief is incredibly strong. Amen! *obligatory disclaimer to "test it out" for yourself.

Ask: What is an effect? What is a practice? And what is awakening if not an effect, perception, experience, insight, change of state, good idea, or feeling?

"Get enlightened, make no mistakes."

"My name is X, and I am an egoholic." Or self-holic. @TruthFreedom Good luck on your efforts; they will be worth it on so many levels.

Pretty unpretentious, down-to-earth, sobering. No place for (as much) fantasy.

Thanks for sharing. Dual booting and virtual machines on QEMU/Virt-manager are cleaner options, in my view - depending on what you want to do.

Let's keep the proselytizing going:

@Nemra @Leo Gura @aurum @Davino Sorry, busy. There's some basic misconception at the heart of this belief-fantasy that's clearly etched in stone for some of you. In any case, I'm not doing this again. Consider the Ramana example. Not even dying changed things for him, so why would getting drunk, meditating, fasting, feeling bored or tired, or taking other drugs? This is the impossibility being talked about. Nothing causes it or can cause it, because it is not a process. You do it. Why would they say that this is a fantasy? Hmm... There are plenty of threads you can find on this. Why not hold it possible that when these guys are talking, they're using consciousness differently than you? Basic point: you're talking about cognition and experience, even awareness, and the changes that can be found or enacted within those realms. You drink tequila, you get drunk. You fast for a month, another set of effects occurs. But Consciousness is not a function of the brain. I did share something, in the end.