UnbornTao

Shit, not bad

Haha, good one. You got me pegged!

Ahhh, love it! It'll keep happening no matter how many times it's said, particularly when one thinks one is already over this dynamic or understands it.

The self-reinforcing nature of belief is incredibly strong. Amen! *obligatory disclaimer to "test it out" for yourself.

Ask: What is an effect? What is a practice? And what is awakening if not an effect, perception, experience, insight, change of state, good idea, or feeling?

"Get enlightened, make no mistakes."

"My name is X, and I am an egoholic." Or self-holic. @TruthFreedom Good luck on your efforts; they will be worth it on so many levels.

Pretty unpretentious, down-to-earth, sobering. No place for (as much) fantasy.

Thanks for sharing. Dual booting and virtual machines on QEMU/Virt-manager are cleaner options, in my view - depending on what you want to do.

@Nemra @Leo Gura @aurum @Davino Sorry, busy. There's some basic misconception at the heart of this belief-fantasy that's clearly etched in stone for some of you. In any case, I'm not doing this again. Consider the Ramana example. Not even dying changed things for him, so why would getting drunk, meditating, fasting, feeling bored or tired, or taking other drugs? This is the impossibility being talked about. Nothing causes it or can cause it, because it is not a process. You do it. Why would they say that this is a fantasy? Hmm... There are plenty of threads you can find on this. Why not hold it possible that when these guys are talking, they're using consciousness differently than you? Basic point: you're talking about cognition and experience, even awareness, and the changes that can be found or enacted within those realms. You drink tequila, you get drunk. You fast for a month, another set of effects occurs. But Consciousness is not a function of the brain. I did share something, in the end.

Psychedelic retreat*

Duplicate:

The fuel one - insisting on a fundamental fallacy. Sounds convincing, though. People would rather have a way out (or way in) than sit with ignorance, even when that way is built on false premises. Ramana wouldn't have forgotten - or realized, or seen through - his nature depending on which mind state he happened to be in, had he developed dementia, suffered a stroke, or taken the drugs. This suggests the recognition isn't a neurochemical event or a state. The fallacy is thinking that within a dream you can ingest part of the dream in order to wake up. This impossibility can feel discouraging - everywhere you look is the dream - but that's only apparent. The possibility doesn't rest on the brain because it was never about the brain to begin with. Oh, fantasy is conformity. The kind we're unwilling to give up. When everything you have is drugs, everything looks like a brain - or some such analogy.

I love me some Vernon Howard.

No problem.