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This day and age I think that is a legit way to deal with this situation. It avoids awkwardness on both your and her end.

Haha, you should follow that up with "mmmm let me think, which part will I take a bite of first".

Lol

I don't even know what yellow is. I told my girlfriend I liked her yellow pants and she said it was mustard so yeah...

Sometimes it might be not as cringy as you think. The writer Stepen King dumped his first bestseller "Cary" in the dumpster. Without him knowing his wife fished it out of the dumpster and send it to a publisher. The book was a mega hit and they made a movie out of it and everything.

Well in college it might be a little different. But don't be messing with the girls you got class with everyday. Are you familiar with Elliot Rodgers? The guy that went crazy in college and drove over a bunch of people. That's an interesting case study, on what not to do. He kind of looked like you, and I mean that in the most positive kind of way, if that's possible. The guy had a lot going, fairly good looking dude, nice clothes, awesome car. But his whole approach, his whole strategy was off. He went completely wrong at it. All he wanted was the very hottest blond girls in school. And he got angry at them for rejecting him. Truth is those girls would reject 99/100 guys in that school. Maybe the stereotypical football star would have a change, and even then. The guy was half Asian half White. I would imagine he would have had an awesome shot with some tiny Asian chicks, or some petite little things in general. Maybe a little cute and nerdy. But I don't think that ever occured to him. Not trying to fit you in a box. But just saying, it's sad when you watch his videos, if someone had explained to that guy how it really worked I am sure he would have gotten what he wanted. I watch that and I am like wtf, put my brain with what what I know in his head and I sure would have gotten laid. It's all about mindset.

Don't be messing around at school. It's the place you always have to go back to. Any emberasing situations you can't walk away from.

You lost frame. You got to stay cool, calm, and collected, especially in the beginning stages. Like the first 3 months. You can't be using words like "scared" and "fear" when you communicate with her at that stage of getting to know her. That's more for when you are in s deep relationship. And even then don't overdo it. That's her department. Also in the beginning there always is/are always one or more dudes in the picture. To lesser or more serious degree. How serious, you got no control over that in the beginning. So you got to almost act like that ain't going on. Over time you got to act like "there is only room for two, I have been making less room for you". Like that old Ja Rule and Jennifer Lopez song. You slowly work them out of the picture by being the better guy. The song describes it pretty well that dynamic. The girl just wants to have fun, but most guys get way insecure in the beginning and don't hold frame, and fuck it up. The girl being insecure herself and is looking for some comfort in the big mean mean world. You got to show your little brat you are her daddy ? Daddy doesn't get bend out of shape when she is being a little brat. *I have been there myself. It takes time and practice. You probably won't master it until you have dealt with that dynamic several times.

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That's truth as well. When my mom needs a car my dad will buy it. She won't even see the thing until it's actually parked in the driveway. This is your car now lol. Also their is no way my mom drives the car when they are in the car together. Me, I don't like it either when the woman drives the car. I won't let my girlfriend carry the heavy grocery bags neither for example. I will walk my girlfriend to the train station. But that ain't happening the other way around. It's just not natural.

I am not saying their is absolute 0 truth to your statements. But it's very partial. You seem to be one of the guys that is hurting the most when it comes to relationships with women. You got to look in the mirror. What are you missing? Because not everyone is hurting. Maybe you are swimming upstream and pissing into the wind. It can be a lot easier.

Actually I can come up with more anecdotal evidence. My mother's grandfather would help my grandmother with the housework a lot. Big family. He would be cooking with an apron on and stuff. That was like in the 1950's. People would comment on it, and he would tell them to mind their own business. I have known that man. He was Alpha. Also in college one of my teachers told me a story of a prime minister of Italy in the past. That guy like to cook at home. Then the press asked him if that was not female work. His reply was "anything I do is man stuff". What he meant to say is, because he is a masculine guy whatever he does is masculine, him doing the activity as a masculine man makes it masculine. The activity in itself does not define his masculinity.

@billiesimon You can write your own rules. An Alpha can do groceries and cook for example. My father for example is a very natural Alpha. But is the one that pretty much always cooks. My mom would burn a cup of tea is she could. And she is very feminine.

To be most successful you do best to develop both your Alpha and Beta traits. The ideal partner is 10/10 Alpha and 10/10 Beta. Now of course to become that man it takes a lot of extra work. Most guys have a disposition to one or the other or fall right in the middle. Both because of nature (genetics) and nurture (how they were raised and their prior life experiences.) You can always choose to improve in any area.

@theking00 The benefits would be that you completely focus on your goals. No more distraction from chasing relations and women. The drawbacks would be of course no more poenani for you. And no love and companionship. Also relationships can have several practical benefits. You will miss out on those. A good relationship is an asset to your life. It's only natural to struggle a little bit to find/create a good one. Until you actually pull one off. You don't need to identify as a hardcore MGTOW to go your own way for a little while. I did it in highschool for a while almost two decades ago. Between the 17-18 I made a conscious decision not to chase women anymore. I would still talk to girls, but just friendly, not flirty or with any intent to get with them. I focused on improving my grades and graduating highschool. And working out. It did wonders for my body, and mental sanity. After/during that year the interest I received from females went way up. Because my value went up doing all that personal work. It's ok not to date for a while you can always pick it up later.

How does that even qualify as a smart answer? The joke is on the forum.

@John Iverson look up "Cocky Funny" on YouTube/Google. You already seem like a cocky little bastard. You combine that with being funny....one of the best techniques infield.

You can get a young guy to pretty much do anything as long as he thinks it's going to get him girls.

Go stand on your own two feet.

You do. This Cosmo girl level of Self- Help. What makes you think your post don't go one ear in other ear out? You are levitating above the rest?

Like those Oprah videos you post?

It sounds reasonable when you type it out like that. But the way it goes on this forum is like this: Nerd: "I am 25 and I have never even kissed a woman, they all hate me!!!, and I hate them too!!!" Then a guy wearing his green cape comes and says something to the extend of: "Try watching deep in each others eyes, and really feel the deeper connection between the two of you and how you are her". No man. That shit is not going to work. The guy is not going to get laid like that. He is going to creep the girl out. To even endorse such a statement being made is ridiculous.

No that's exactly my point. Everyone is in a different stage. But the guys that 'cant get laid'. They are at the lowest stage of them all. Its counterproductive when a guy like that asks for advice and other forum members see that as the perfect opportunity to show off their spiritual far pissing skills. It's exactly those spiritual far pissers that try to build a dogma.

Yeah you can play that game. But you know how it is.