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@sarapr

So you are going to clean the swimming pools of rich lady's is what you are saying ?

I would say so, success with women is not the only thing that counts. But a guys Actual Value doesn't have to be sky high to start to work on his Game. As long as his actual vallue measures up to the average Joe he should be good to go. After all you get what you feel entiteled to.

Game is about raising your perceived value. You have to understand there is Actual value and there is Perceived value. Actual value is the value you actually have as a guy. Perceived value is the value she thinks you have. A lot of guys do have pretty good Actual Value. But they are terrible at convincing women about that. So their perceived value in the eyes of these women is low. Those women would actually get convinced about this guys Actual value if they spend a lot of time with him. But because they perceive his value as low it will never get to that point. On the other hand there are the 'Players'. These guys don't actually have a lot of value to offer. Like no job, no education, no promising career, etc. Their Actual Value is low. But they are really good at faking high value right from the moment they meet a woman. Therefore the woman will perceive their value as high. At first at least. And she will have sex with the 'Player'. Over time she may find out that the 'Player' type is not as great as he initially sold himself to be. What you want is to learn game so you can raise your Perceived value right from the start as well. If you have above average Actual Value then your Perceived Value in her eyes should be above average as well. Otherwise you are selling yourself short. As long as your Perceived Value is equal to your Absolute value you are not deceiving anyone. You are simply being assertive.

Now honestly would you rather be a chick, since they presumably got it so much easier? I can come up with plenty of reasons I wouldn't want to be a chick. Pros and cons but I much rather be a guy.

Ideally yeah.....in reality probably not so much.

Why would it be different in a spiritual group?

Honestly I think women can have a tough time as well but in other ways. Guys for instance seem less likely to be willing to seriously date a woman with kids. But women seem more open to that.

Hold on: "When he is ready he will as you out?" That sounds like bullshit.

Pretty much

Like the other guys said. If you don't want to litteraly make the first move, you got to put it on very thickly, VERY thickly, make it very easy for him, with lots of phychical contact, sitting very close to him, etc.

Go bang some new girls man. You are using a victim mentality. All those symptoms of yours are the symptoms of a break up like many people experience during a heart break. You are not the first or only one to experience that feeling. Most relationships are not going to work out statistically. So keep going until you find one that sticks.

If you both have a crush why not ask him out? What is there to lose?

@egoless you also need some music to motivate you:

Just a thought I had. I think it pays off to look up those old-school pick-up artists like Mystery Method and David DeAngelo and Doc Love. Those guys were raw and pure. The stuff they talk about, it's not as polished, but it's no bullshit. Those guys were not looking to invent something out of thin air. RSD is very good. And they leave no stone unturned. At the same time it starting to look like over-analizing the thing now, their new content that is. Social game, 9s and 10s game etc. etc. And it's like yeah maybe some truth to it but don't be splitting hairs. Ironically one thing you don't want to do in the Dating Game with women is overanalyze the situation.

Not all of them, but a lot of them. On top of that I think a lot of them intellectually had this ideal of this great utopian community. All very stage green on the Spiral Dynamics scale. But in practice they did not embody it. Therefore over time the ideal turned out to be a fantasy. * As far as the Rolls Royces go. I think Osho was really fucking with people. I mean he bought a ranch, had a whole fleet of airplanes, was feeding all these people, but look at the Rolls Royces they sure must have cost a lot of money......... Just because the average person can dream up owning a Rolls Royce.

I keep saying it: Actualized.org attracts a lot of nutcases as well. Its is easy to talk bad on Osho and his cult right now. But what would happen if we put all the followers of Actualized.org on a remote Island with just enough resources for everyone to survive if everyone worked perfectly together? Total mayhem I predict. I think when one watches the documentary it's a good moment to look in the mirror and reflect on oneself and ones surroundings.

like one of those guys from Antelope said: People were educated beyond their intelligence.

Well this is his more nuanced opinion:

Blue VS misguided green yeah. It's seems to start out as Blue vs Green. Later on the Cult seems to spiral down towards Orange, and then Red. There was a lot of dickery going on from the Cult towards the local community. I think from a stage Green standpoint the Cult could have tried to come more from a give value then take value standpoint.

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You don't need a community. There is so much info across the internet from different sources. Pick what you like, and most importantly what works for you. Doing a google search using the right key words gives you years of information to digest. I made a thread about that I will bump for you. If you want a very balanced "healthy" source I would recommend Correy Wayne's Videos. He also has a book you can order online or listen to in audio format called "The 3% man".

I had some insight once where it just *clicked* when I woke up in the middle of the night. The only time that I have experienced something that I would label as a mystical experience. I started explaining it to my girlfriend of the time and she was like shut up go back to sleep, you are talking weird stuff. This was a long time ago. And I have forgotten what it was now. But I remember everything seemed to make a whole lot of sense all of a sudden.

So did anyone watch the documentary yet?

I watched two and a half episodes last night. The documentary is really not so much about Osho but more about his cult and the followers. I think it does a pretty good job showing the perspectives from both sides. Its best watched from a neutral position.