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Hm, I found it very difficult finding such examples. Most of what I found was some spoken/written green cake topping and some green cherries, on-top of acted out typical blue absolutist cake body.... After some years of thinking and working on myself what I have found is that the way you are is not "what you think or speak", but the way you are is the way you "act". Witch is what the Spiral Dynamics model suggests itself per se. I have few green friends, they seem very different from this types, and they act differently... What I think is the case its not orange resisting green in this specific case, but that the feminine blue is resisting orange. Thus resulting in the "devouring-mother" jungian archetype, and acting out the Buddhist ‘Idiot compassion' mindset. And please don't go with the "you are in the classic trap of confusing green with blue, because you yourself are not green yet" card. I am not trying to judge or resist anything. I just want to understand it deeply and see your line of thinking on this.

Do a good research before ordering a grow box mate Different rules, different countries, its a good idea not to end up in jail. Heard rumors that you can order it as "lab research material"

Hello there fellow explorers. I've been gathering some guts to do this for quite some time. I ll'try to start linearly and chronologically, the difficultly of this is obvious, a lot of things in DMT-space happen out of time space, out of logic and the list goes on. I did this with a trusted person I recently met. We quickly became friends and resonated in many areas. I felt I could completely trust him on this.He had done this more than few times, so that was enough for me. We went at a comfortable place, played some lofy hip-hop and chilled. He took the pipe, filled it with Changa, slowly, while we chilled and talked he explained me the process, I've been reading and watching a lot about this before so we could understand each-other quite well on the technical part at least. Thus when I was ready, we began. We prepared, there was an overwhelming fear present on my side, like facing into the face of certain and inevitable death, a voice screaming in the back of my head not to do it, cancel it, say another time, also that void in the chest... I decided to proceed anyway, I've been very burned up for this, fear was the expected reaction, so I am not canceling it despite it. DMT of any quality is very hard to find in my country, yet alone shared for free. Most of the stuff that is found here is quite rare, expensive and garbage. I was not missing this one. I held he pipe, while he did melt/evaporate the Changa, the advice was, try to fill yourself as much as you can, hold as much as you can, and than exhale. Than try the same thing with the second shot, and if you manage the third. I also told him -If I do not want to take more, beg,force and remind me. As any first timer I had no clue what awaited, and what was my personal measure/amount. So I did just that, inhaled and inhaled slowly, tried not to let any smoke to escape from the pipe. I am guessing that the inhalation process lasted about 30 secs, it was slow and controlled, I do cardio and weightlifting, am also a nonsmoker, so this thing wasn't the really a problem. At the peak of the inhalation, things kind of started to happen, there were some ... laggings, like some of his words lagged, something like "s-s-s-s-s-s", "f-f-f-f-f-" and than the other part of the word is somehow lost, the motion that he was doing was like some-kind of a loop animation, snapping at the beginning of it. It didn't seem weird, my consciousness was altered. After this huge filled breath, held as much as I could (witch I later discovered, was called heroic breath) I exhaled ....he did not tell me that the hammer hits the head when you exhale, he did not want to frighten me. At the point of exaltation It was just like someone took my hard drive and all my RAM ripped it off and ate it. Ate like everything!!. Only the observer part remained and the intent or the will part should I call it. Everything around me was moving, was very blurry and de-focused, it was extremely stretched, even my friend. I had a feeling like I was falling backwards chaotically, not in a straight line but moving in all directions. Only the pipe in-front of me ( there was nothing holding it, HD pipe floating in space, jiggling a little right and left) and my friends eyes remained not de-focused and also weirdly HD sharp and following me as I was falling. There was some oriental and middle eastern like feeling to the whole vibe. I could only remember that i was supposed to do something and that I should trust him, i felt i could trust him, it was just like i knew him, from long ago. very distant feeling. Reminded me of me being born, or being a baby and all these entities are above me, caring about me, that realization was gained afterwards. In the present moment i had only intent and consciousness. He was trying to get me to have another shot. Was saying - inhale, I had no clue what those words meant, what is the action, where should the air go, It was all very unfamiliar and panicky, the pipe was floating in front of me like mad, I was chasing it with my mouth. I used extreme will to find where my hand was. I could not see it but had awareness, and it was like it was perfectly cut in a perfect line, about 5/10 cm above the wrist. there was nothing going on towards the body. I was blowing into the pipe and inhaling, causing a little chaos for my friend, because i didn't know what breathe in means. when i managed to take some in, he would say: hold it, hold it!! but the air was coming out because there were no lungs or where ever I was supposed to hold the air. I took my other imagined hand, witch was also cut in a straight line and tossed it with intent towards my nose so i can hold the nose. OFC, the nose was also cut in straight lines, and was floating, not attached to anything. The smoke was coming out in waves, HD white waves i did not menage to stop it. While this chaotic thing was happening. In the background was extremely loud music, not like it was playing in the room ,but like it was everywhere, in my head, in the space itself. I was amazed to find after the DMT faded that there was no music at that time, (we shut the lofy hip-hop music down so I do this in silence, that was my choice) I also managed to quickly create a bastardized version of what i heard. It was like some kind of dark psy-trance, very specific, badly produced, badly composed, cringy, and was increasing its BPM until it all merged into one tone. After I failed to take more shots, I collapsed onto the sofa, I had my eyes closed. And somehow thought, Ive f####d up this time, you are dead dude, you should have listened to yourself while you had the chance. Everything was completely dark, populated by only few things. One of them was a spiral like hand, pointing a finger to what was then my right, it was almost as it had consciousness of a sheep..... it was moving right with some kind of "moooooooooooo" observant telepathic connection to me, it was watching me, but had no clue, nor cared about me, it was cartoonish like, and was made of 2 parallel stripes made out of the most stupid pink and dark green colors. The stripes had no thickness. Above it, to what would be my top right, was something morph-like 4 sided thing, , made out of many layers of 2d stripes, morphing all the time, it had very demanding consciousness, I felt like I dropped into its lawn, while it was just watching its sheep eat grass. Very demanding intent. Oh yea, and its stripes were made out of the most stupid red color I have ever seen. The colors didn't care, they were stupid. In the distance was a pink, almost magenta hexagon floating shape, also 2D, I had the impression that there was something inside of it. Also my view was like a fixed camera.I couldn't move it,i could just watch, I was very interested what was at the center of the hexagon ...but the demanding thing didn't let me proceed, it freaked me out. I was overblown with the demanding I wouldn't say telepathic, but presence would be better description. Few moments ago I was falling, music, chaos, blur, displacement. AAAAAAAAAA!! And now this. I just wanted it to end. I started opening my eyes and watching around but everything was displaced, And i had that strong feeling that everything was watching me. And that everything is me. Very surreal. But the substance wasn't lost it was the same room, just very displaced, for eg, my friend was sitting on a chair, and went towards the windows, his legs remained attached to the chair, the PC screen was weirdly attached to the table ect. I consistently checked and looked at my hands, just a habit from doing reality checks while astral projecting and lucid dreaming, nothing seemed to happen with them. My whole body vibrated, and my pulse was 1k bpm. I was afraid that I fucked something up, in my mind was something like. If you live, you are not doing this ever again, this was stupid move.(That's while returning to normal) I didn't hold the same opinion afterwards. After I sobered up, and remembered everything I have forgotten. There was this surreal synchronicity feeling. Also it was like I bought the ticket to this place so secret, so small, but so profound, called earth and human existence. To be able to think, to want, to not want, to have opinion, to care, to hate, to suffer, to cry, to have a tooth ache, to be beaten, to share, to be selfish, to have a sense of space, of time, to say you are wrong, to listen, to smell, to be a musician, to be a parent, to be able to interact with plants, to interact with bricks even .... all of this was a huge privilege.The ticket to the best ride in the universe ..... This won't last forever.... After this, I started to care way more about so many little things, and look at them with awe, how can this be, how is it possible. The attached files are my bastardized attempts of the auditory and visual stuff that was happening. I could have made them better and in a way more accurate, but i felt no reason for doing so, they are in a way not even close to complete in the scope of the whole think. Also they were possible to make only because of their specific nature, visually these things were not very .. complex. DMT-Auditory.mp3 DMT_Trip_01.rar

That's the idea LSD>Shrooms This one was tense and disorientating at the time it was happening. A lot of terror in it... yes. but still when looking back at it I think it was beautiful. Maybe the most profound experience since my birth. Maybe.. same as my birth ...Am looking forward to more, even though i know I will s##t in my pants before I take that first shot. And oh, yes. These questions still linger, this happened 4 mouths ago and I am still processing it. Not ready yet for another one. Actually its not the visual stuff that remained. That was just extremely weird and cool ...that's all. This state of no time, no mind, no body, no direction, no memory that is what remained. Even as I am reading the questions you posted, the hair all over my body comes up. Like a link is established between the state and the question itself

I didn't say you did. I feel much the same way

Actually when I first heard of him, that was 2015, I thought he was a just some old mad conservative nutcase, with some repressed emotional grudges against feminine energies. When you see his way of talking, the expressions, and the bad lighting along with his talking style. Yea I got quite triggered. At that period I was actually quite into psychology, so I always suspected every thought I had, especially if I had an emotional reaction, so I delved into his personality/maps of meaning lectures, watched them quite a few times. Than it was much easier to know what he meant when he lumped a few words together, witch can be interpreted in 1000000 ways. A guy both very easy to understand on many levels, and both to be misunderstand at many. I like your way of thinking btw ... its transcendent

This stuff left me lasting impressions ... also quite a few dmt flashbacks. Also its plot reminds me quite a lot of Bob Monroes talks ..

You build your perfect green society and than ... someone beyond the border... Also if it goes way too far and to fast. -In its quest for equality it will create inequality -In its quest for tolerance it will create intolerance -Will try to live with the Klingons. -Will wonder why universe wont bent to serve them. If you have moderate healthy influx of green, probably none of that will happen. I think the best thing will be to wait,watch and learn from what happens with Scandinavia. We have never experienced such thing, we have no clue where does this lead on this complex social level. I really hope they will go yellow before they collapse. I may seem negatively inclined here or somehow against. But we need to be real here and see both sides of the same coin. I am always up for healthy green. And we know the ways a red society, blue, and now even orange can go wrong and F##K things up, we had many of them trough history .... but not with green. That's why I urge complete observation.

I would give Terrance way more than green, but he has good foothold in there.

@Leo Gura" I get you, this is the risk I knew I took, and that there was chance I would be misunderstood. To be more clear I used the SJW label to describe the political aspect of the fundamentalist activists that you can find preaching this values. For the time being I am a human, had to use a word, thus somehow label. I am perfectly aware that if we set down in a park and grabbed a beer in a "non political fueled environment" some of them would turn out quite cool and likable people and might even become my best friends. Peterson knows to get to fueled up when things get political, but is always aware enough, to correct people at every turn that he is talking about the "radical fundamentalists", and in many occasions you can see him showing his liking of green people, liking of purple people, understanding red and blue. Knowing that the way out of blue is orange, though he never read Spiral Dynamics. And being against the unhealthy variations of them. He is not lumping them all together my point is. I would advise that if there is any beef, it stays aside, you two might more in common than you think On the other hand, he is a clinical psychologist that deals with nut-cases every day, on can see where all that cynicism emerges from . On my part ... yea after watching the new video, i think I might have idealized green way too much. Also its like I almost forgot about part of my life when I was very green, listening to parts of the video awoke a mini-amnesia. I can now see how I used to have all this hard held opinions about equality, world peace, ect. Actually twice in my life, only to have to let them go and go in opposite direction, and find them again, totally different. Mysterious this existence is.... @Emerald I think I have a clue now. I thought I was somehow "radically open-minded" and see more than the regular consumerist plebs around me when I was into green, couple years ago that is. Actually I wasn't, there was still some dogma left. And as you and @Leo Gura put it, there was no tolerance of intolerance. Arguments of inequality were overlooked and put in the "lower level view" box. Similar behavior with other things. Thanks fellas, Its actually quite hard to put yourself into your old self shoes to such a big degree. Its also cool to witness the ego backlash when you try to totally morph in older version of yourself, whichever one that might be.

Green is also called relativistic, yellow is also called systemic. Green can shift perspectives, but one at a time, Yellow can see multiple at one time, yellow sees the matrix. That way I can see how green can seem dogmatic from third persons view. It is infringed in the current perspective, only to see another one later and infringe into that one. What orange would say: "hippies with cognitive dissonance, contradicting themselves all the time, not making logical argument shifts. " Even in part what triggers emergence into orange is the realization that all of this "god,state,nation,ect" thing is happening in my head, I am making all this stuff up. Must start re-evaluating all of this, the mind is flawed, it tricked me, must learn more about it, see how to use it properly. And than orange pops into personal development. I am sure a lot of orange people would resonate with this. That's how we get for the first time the "We can agree to disagree" and "I have my opinion and I respect yours". And some time after that orange gets "oh my god there are so many people, each could see the world totally differently from their own eyes, how do I know mine is right , I cant quantify "right" because my world is governed by things totally different from anothers person" and thus the orange goes green and everything becomes relativistic. Also, the ability to see the world from another persons eyes is probably what awakes the true compassion of green. Witch didn't exist before. Still does not remind me of the "What I see is right and more important, if you have different opinion than mine than you are nazi, misogynist and the list goes on with the name calling" something very common in SJWs . How does one go from "we can agree to disagree" to "burn heretics" . Probably one doesn't. Btw is this @Emerald from the "diamond net", haven't logged in here for quite some time

I am kind of waiting for the new video too. But lumping every bipedal that utters the words: compassion, caring, love,vegan,chia, energy, humans into green seems quite short-sided. I am quite agreeing with @intrastellar on this one. Also I ll have to go trough spiral dynamics book more times. When I was teen, I was into a lot of new agey stuff. I would say stuff like: everything is energy, we should all care about each-other, why are there people in the third world suffering, we all are one, plant, trees, all of it, wars are meaningless, why shouldn't we all try to help each-other and build a better society, and all the stuff that gets in that package. ... By that merit i should have been green loooong at that point, evolve, and by now probably become a "floating goo ectoplasm and 4D morphing fractals"... but no I was not green. I was heavy blue. I had to completely let go of all that stuff and go into totally different direction only to find it again, transformed. So I wouldn't say the issue is "letting go of preconceptions". @Emerald Hm, its so weird,....its hard for me to see how a stage witch unlocks the range of infinite perspectives and is based on the keyword "relativistic" have such sameness ... in its perspective gamut.

Did you make a custom dark room by yourself or did you rent one. If you did make it, what was the process, blankets on windows, was it pitch black, or did you have candles, sound, food stuff ?

In a way yes. There is a greater package that comes with it. Yellow can see the boxes, pre-yellow does not even know that they are in a box (their world is a box).You know someone is yellow when he will put his stuff aside,exit his box and immerse into your box ,will listen, and than will reply with answer appropriate to your box, also he will point fingers to other useful boxes, if he thinks you might be able to see them. Something for example orange does not do, orange will listen to you, will try to objectively evaluate your stuff, you can even manage to change oranges mind, but all of that is done from its perspective, witch is single. Orange takes your stuff, brings it into its own box, evaluates, and decides to keep some of it. Yellow comes to your box. That's how i think you know its yellow.

Smell the blue in this one This is Varg from Burzum btw, if anyone is into metal.

If you think of green as the first perspective sifter, but can be locked in one perspective at a time. Yellow is the first multi-perspective user, meaning yellow can think/talk in a couple of perspectives at one time. Meaning in a hypothetical conversation: yellow will see the ways you are right, the ways you are not, the way you feel about it, what are you missing, what yellow is not seeing, the way the others feel, the ways he is right, the ways he is not, how society influenced your opinion, and how there is a spark of individuality in your opinion.. He develops meta-judging thinking, he judges his own judging system. And will rarely get locked and carried away by just one perspective, a thing green people often do. Green will say: Man is destroying nature! and causing the suffering and extinction of a lot of lifeforms! Yellow will say: If you take a perspective that man and nature are separate things, than yes, man is destroying nature, but also, nature is destroying man, nature is not the only beautiful forests at sunset, but nature is also cancer, syphilis and hunger. That's if you take that perspective, but if you try to see that man is not separate from nature, and all the destruction he causes is just an extension of nature, things will look very differently to you. And that's how he would end his sentence, leaving you wondering, what does this person stand for, does he have an opinion or is he just trying to be smart, his argument does not have a closing point..... and ...why was that subtle smile and look while he was listening to me.

Its just a quite useful tool, what we do with it is just our own doing, it's not something inherited to the tool. Be careful with it be, you must.

I find it really puzzling, where do people see greenness in political correctness. Wonder what Trotsky would say about it.

I think you got it backwards, SJ and PC are typical blue ideas invented by blue people for blue usage. This overtone of compassion and "caring" about people is total BS and only used to mask the deep underlying problems. Note that when talking to such person and talk in the "relativistic green" domain, they will instantly revert to authoritarian/absolutist blue. They wont talk green for one minute. You know you are green, when you can radically shift perspectives to a degree you wont know which is the correct one, or is there such thing as correct-wrong perspective. Green people are extremely diverse in their perspectives and radical-openminded plus because of their ability to shift perspectives they become emphatic and genuinely care about people and try to help them, you can see it in their eyes. Witch is something you cant find in the PC and SJW types. It is safe to think of them as Feminine blue.

Its easy to think that these new SJW and PC people are the "obvious green" emerging form orange/blue western societies. Talking about inequality, compassion, understanding, put yourself in my shoe. That's how it seems when you are lazy about it and do not observe enough. If you do, you'll see quite fast that the absolutist/authoritarian element is way greater than the relativistic. And that the green element is used only as a cake topping.

The whole Cyberpunk genre is a great example of "orange gone to far". High tech, low life, social and moral decline, the city of dreams. Also its quite interesting to observe your "blue" friends disliking, shitting and getting triggered by stuff you find in these types of movies/games.

Seems that it is very easy to misunderstand Peterson. Probably because of his direct and concise way of talking, ,witch at first glance gives the impression that he is somehow paradigm locked, misses things, or doesn't see the other side of the coin, or seems drowned into the current perspective, because he speaks with a lot of passion. Especially if you heard less than 10 hours of his stuff, the lecture stuff, not the "political". If you get deeper into his content, you''ll see that he is quite a yellow guy, and that what he is against is blue fundamentalism growing and devouring everything. You'll see him saying: of course morality is man made, language too, its self evident. On that level of analysts of course it doesn't exist. But what do you mean by exist. On the other hand you'll see him saying "well that's evil".... Also very often he''ll speak about the multilayered reality, some things can be literal, some metaphorical, irrational and rational at the same time ....so easy to get confused when trying to follow a systemic person. All that constant paradigm sifting, and shooting out couple ones at the same time can make you shit bricks. By the way I agree with @Outer and the others. @Leo Gura did a discussion with some pickup-artist a while ago. It would be only proper to have a discussion with him at this point. Don't try to stick too many stickers on him just because he seem to speak with some form of conviction.

Here is a tip, if you can shift one perspective at a time. Meaning shift everything , your perception your values, completely forget about yourself and embody that new perspective of that other person, grown differently, socialized differently, sees different stuff when he opens his eyes ect. Its like get out of your box, and get into the other persons box. Not observe his box and the stuff in it from your own. If you are cognitively able to do so. it means that you have hit the green stage, or at least you have the antenna for it. And it means you have went yellow when you can embody multiple perspectives at the same time. Which also explains the paradox resolution. Before green its mono perspective, green is still mono, but can shift one at a time. Yellow is multi. And one other thought. It is wise to observe how you react daily, when doing mundane stuff, talking to your mom, making breakfast, looking at the phone and the money that you just took out of your pocket. That is when you can spot where you are at. What happens in your head.... Doing all this leo and personal development stuff can also be packed in a belief system, and a simple blue or red guy can think he has seen the truth and is way above the other. I have a friend that is quite a blue/orange guy that can see the systemic structure quite well. but it is only in the constrains of the same system, lets say, politics, economy, biology. Or at least between closely related systems. As we have said, yellow is multi-perspective and sees the connections between many different systems. Lets say between astronomy, physics, nutrition, and politics at the same time. Its has a way of thinking that would seem weird to other people, because yellow is validating/praising stuff and condemning it at the same time, all the time. How does gravity affect the development of human kind. How does religion affect the pluming system. How does your hygiene habits affect someones political views. And vice versa. These are very typical yellow everyday thoughts.

I have been trying to find ways and methods of communicating with "not so developed people"(I don't know how else to verbalize it, you will get what I mean as you read.). So far I have been hitting a brick wall, To be more specific, in my case its about very absolutist people that think they are rational. Deriving from emotion and belief and labeling it as fact. Communicating in "facts-not facts", you are arguing for that side, not for this, some people are more right than other (in a shallow way), I ll give you evidence, you ll give me, and than we will measure it. good dose of confirmation bias and ambiguity effect a lot of should and shouldn't, is and is not. Snobbishness. And all of this stuff over "debates" about immigration, should white people live in deserts and black in snowy parts, genetics, is there a conspiracy against Europe and Caucasian people ect, are Jews doing something ..... stuff that I am just ..... not ...... able to debate, not interested, not seeing any meaning to do so, and generally not able to do so, because of the ability to see, what is happening with all that "bla bla" info, in my mind, what their mind does. There is an expectation to talk/debate the topics, but I just cant. I find both agony and humor in those situations. Trying to turn them inward, tell them to question their thoughts, and yet they see it as a position. Leftist propagandist, don't go spiritual now, or what not flags do I get associated with. Pretty basic stuff ... and still I have no clue how to reach to them. Short term, long term doesn't matter .... We all have people like that around us. So, how do you do it, do you even do it, what if they are people important to you?

Armed guy on a grassy field, stabbing soil, slashing wind. Wondrous human beings are.