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@NOTintoxicated have you spoken to a psychiatry doctor? Sounds like a textbook OCD which can be diagnosed and usually treatments are available (both medical & holistic). Probably best to get an appointment with psychiatrist so you have something on the paper you can work with. Don't just jump into antibiotics without knowing what you're up against. Seek a second opinion if you get dismissed.

Amazing! Love the self reflection and brutal honesty. Get your hierarchy fixed and see you back here in a year or two. Godspeed ?

@Vision thanks! I'd be more inclined to take the later one. The information seems more practical. Is it expensive? The trick here with intestinal permeability is that we currently don't have a tests that are very reliable nor is there a medical gold standard. There is a Zonulin test (which is part of this) but there is also Dual Sugar Assay (seems to be better) and Polyethene Glycol (which may be the best but is rarely available). Does the company offer either of those two? May be combined with the one above would give you a nice picture (depends on cost of course). I would specifically ask them what tests do they have available for intestinal permeability.

@Vision they are both really interesting and there is a large overlay in what they show. Where metaBiome is mainly showing balance of microbiome, the GI Map is looking at screening for various potentially pathogenic species, parasites, worms and I'd say for assessment for intestinal permeability, GI Map is probably better. But depends on what you fancy more and what is preferable to you. Do you have a sample report of which GI Map would you take, do you have a particular company? Could you share it?

Not a good idea when it comes to chelation and detoxification. You need a specialist guidance not some half-assed blog advice from someone who has just written what's on their mind. Either do chelation properly under the wings of a specialist (or at least using the guidance of trusted sources) or don't do it at all.

@Vision GI Map is a complex microbial screening looking at parasites, worms, viruses, pathogenic bacteria etc. Hard to say how useful it will be here. It is not going to pick up SIBO nor will it confirm but it may give indication whether there is something else going on that could be a source of your problem. GI Map is fairly expensive test thou, not sure how much it will cost in your country. If you can afford it and are willing to burn the extra cash, go for it.

Get the confirmation of diagnosis first by the gastro doctor and request jejunal aspirate. If it is diagnosed, either look up a holistic gut specialist or get some technical book online that guides you through the protocol. Potentially you could also get in touch with Gojiman. If diagnosis is confirmed, the doctor may recommend rifaximin and metrodinazole as a first line of treatment.

Untreated SIBO (if this is SIBO) can progress to all sorts of problems (if there is also some ongoing intestinal permeability) can pretty much lead to anything including Coeliac, IBD, liver problems, asthma, new types of allergies, depression. jejunal aspirate is a medical test, your doctor needs to refer you to gastroenterologist (gut doctor) and they need to run the tests. This is what I mentioned before. Take your breath test and ask the gut doctor to interpret it rather than the private lab. Not sure what the medical system looks like where you're based but here in UK medical tests are not charged because they come from your monthly insurance contribution

In this sentence, I can hear a voice of passion and love being muffled by fear and resistance. I don't know if you already tried it but if you have some extra money and some time, consider buying Leo's LP course. It has changed my life and lives of many people on here. If there is just one thing, start there. Watch 1 video every day and see the momentum starting to rise. You can't beat resistance, you just have to face it and go with it. It will ALWAYS be there no matter what you do. You must not let it hold you back. I loved the Dark Knight scene, always gives me goosebumps when the encouragement intensifies before he jumps.

In terms of his content, he gives solid advice on sibo treatment,his gut stuff is really goods He however shares a lot of shit videos where he just attacks non-vegans for the stuff they eat. I absolutely hate when they do that. He also looks very sickly and unhappy to me and I struggle to sustain my attention to his videos because of that. At the moment this is the most reliable and the most sensitive test for diagnosis of SIBO we have. It beats the breath testing but it is more invasive. I guess at this stage the answer you are looking for is : do IU have SIBO or not and if you do you need to go heavy after it with antimicrobials, elimination diet and repopulation. The longer you let it untreated, the worse it will generally get.

@soos_mite_ah it's not good. This stuff is basically a ultra-processed vegan junk food. They are trying to replace protein with cheap protein powders and it is full of the cheapest oils, thickeners, preservatives, colourings, E-numbrs, fructose and phosphates. I'd prefer to make the burgers myself using beans, mushrooms, onions and some spices with some tahini or olive oil to mix it all up . If you have food processor, it is fairly easy to do and you have 100% control

@Tomtad any particular foods that are problematic?

I think more for girls than guys. A beautiful woman will have things being offered to her more readily than a less attractive one. She will simply receive more male attention and allong woth it more opportunities (mostly material) Does not mean she will choose to act on this. I think the higher she is on the spiral the less difference will it make to her life. In the typical orange environment a beautiful woman will have somewhat easier life if she chooses to take advantage of her beauty and if she is highly invested in materialism and success. High paid corporate jobs are more frequently held by good looking women as it is usually stage orange men making those decisions. I have never seen an unattractive executive.

I think the sibo test would Indeed make sense. You may need to go private if the GP is not willing to do it for you. But definitely worth checking that

@Vision ok so I did a little bit of digging on this. There are 2 fairly reliable statements at the moment. One is coming from the Association of Gastrointestinal Physiologists (AGIP) the other from North American Consensus. This is what they both say: First of all, the order of testing (according to AGIP) should have been Lactulose first, Glucose second. Did your lab do it this way? If not, you may have got false positive/false negative. Secondly, "the recent North American Consensus document on breath testing (2) suggests that a rise above the baseline hydrogen level of >=20ppm of hydrogen within the first 90 minutes following ingestion of the provocation dose (lactulose or glucose) is normally considered positive for assessment of SIBO". -> this is positive on your test Thirdly, AGIP says -> "methane level >=10ppm at baseline or at any point during the test should be considered positive for methanogenesis. As methane may affect transit times it is difficult to say with certainty whether the methanogenic organisms are in the small bowel or colon so no comment on SIBO should be made in the absence of a concomitant rise in hydrogen" -> In your test, methane (yellow line) is above 10 at the baseline pretty much straight away + you have rise in hydrogen. So this point applies Fourth, AGIP Says: "The time from ingestion to the rise in breath levels associated with large bowel fermentation should not be used as a diagnostic tool for estimating small bowel transit." - This is what your testing company did. Dump it all as "colonic fermentation". This does not seem to be right. Finally, AGIP says "Ledochowski cut off values of a rise of >=10ppm within 60-minutes as positive for SIBO (6) which is a more conservative value but conversely increases the risk of a false-negative result. Therefore clinical judgement by an experienced Clinician and / or discussion within a multidisciplinary team should be used with borderline positive results (i.e. a rise seen between 60-90 minutes) and a glucose HMBT could be undertaken to provide more confidence in a SIBO positive diagnosis" -> This is the point that takes away the certainty. We cannot tell whether the increase behind 90 minutes is due to colonic fermentation or small intestinal fermentation. I think you should get a second opinion SUMMARY You should take these results and show them to a medical gastroenterologist. There is too much vagueness in SIBO diagnosis at the moment and you may need to get a test called jejunum culture aspirate which is currently considered to be a gold standard test. This is more invasive however and includes sticking a tube down your throat, this is the best we have so far. Good luck on your next step.

modern medicine is brilliant for acute injuries, acute toxicity, cardiac arrest and getting you back to live once you are at the brink of dying. The amount of artistic work they can do if a 100 kilo brick falls on your leg is unbelievable. The Emergency medicine is a combination of art & science really. You don't have time to piss around with herbs when you experience a heart attack, you need to be sent to hospital, injected with nitric oxide and have your chest opened if necessary but then once the person is stable, naturopaths should take over. But there is no holistic education in medicine which is why management of chronic disease is so poor. You also have to consider that most people WANT this sort of approach. 9/10 diabetics are not looking for a real cure, just to dump their responsibility somewhere else and to stop being in pain. That's it. Having to take metformin 3 times a day is less painful than having to lose 50 kilos and starting to exercise. If you are interested in real treatment and taking responsibility in your hands, you're better of doing your own studies or finding a holistic expert with a decent reputation.

it's like you're new to the internet. The amount of perverse action some people are willing to take for a bit of attention on the internet literally has no boundaries...it's really a cry for love what it is and that love, sometimes only comes when the person is holding gun to their head

@joshuahuebner good lucki! I got 2 part blog series where I explored the connection between gut and brain (including migraines) you may find some helpful tips in these https://www.andro-health.com/blog Let us know how you get on

@Strangeloop I don't know you and I won't presume I know what it feels like to be in your skin right now. I have gone through periods of depression and anxiety in my life and I know what it feels like to be at your lowest. What I'm going to say is that there is nothing that happens to the human body and the human mind that cannot be remedied and that cannot be transformed. An environment can be changed, health problems can be solved and a mind can be healed to start seeing the light and the love even if this seems hard to believe at the moment. Don't suffer alone and don't you dare to quit. I know you are a solution seeker and I know you're a fighter, otherwise, you wouldn't be here. We are all seeking for some guidance and some improvement on here. Do not hesitate to ask for help. There are people out there, probably living close to you who can help, experts, guides and mentors. Reach out to someone to guide you back into the light. What are you good at? What were you passionate about when you were younger? What gives you spark? You said before you had a diet and routine. What has changed? Is there any chance you could find the motivation to get back to it again? I'm happy to have a chat to you about health (no fee) if you'd like. Just do one thing today that will make you feel better. Make your bed, take a hot shower, grab a cup of coffee and go outside for a short walk. Get outside of your mind and your body and look out, look around you and take it in. Today is a new day, a new start and a new opportunity. You have what it takes to change your life but you gotta believe this......you better believe this. You have a great potential in your life that is just waiting to be discovered. I don't know what it is and maybe neither do you yet but don't go and waste that, don't rob the world of your contribution. Find someone who can help you even if it takes another 6 months and even if you had to borrom money for it. You've got this, there is still good in this world and it is worth fighting for

From a personal experience, I'll tell you that working in holistic health can be sometimes incredibly challenging. For one, holistic practitioners cannot diagnose nor are we trained in diagnosis (unless you are a trained Naturopathic Doctor, which is only available in States for now). So you can often suspect but you cannot diagnose people. People have to be send to medical doctor for diagnosis but they will often look at something like SIBO and say "it's not a real thing" and so the person is stuck between the rock and the hard place. Secondly, you don't have a powerful governing legal body such as medicine does, you don't have a lobby in the government and most of all you don't have all the research done for you by pharmaceutical companies. Natural remedies have mostly shit quality of research and for SIBO, for example there is just 1 high quality randomized trial. One!!!! Compared to for example 100 trials using Rifaximin for treatment of IBS. Holistic practitioners cannot just prescribe whatever because our legal protection is not as strong as medical. If doctor messes you up with overprescription, they are fully protected by medical insurance , if a naturopath messes up, she loses her license so she will prefer to errr on the side of caution. This is another reason why so many holistic practitiners struggle, not because of lack of knowledge but because of fear of legal persecution. So as a holistic practitioner you often have to experiment, try to be creative and you often have to go easy on things that could change people's lives (e.g. variety of herbs) because you have to be careful not to get a backlash from medicine for doing something considered pseudoscientifical. So what I'm trying to say, don't blame your naturopath, she is doing her best with the training she got, it's just that sometimes there simply isn't enough resources and information for us to do the work 100%. On the other hand ofcourse, many practitioners in the industry do not invest in continuous education and get stuck with old ideas and theories brought over from school which can lead to all sorts of weird protocols and lack of results.

I know naturopaths who charge 250£ per session, holly f...ing shit!! Talk about not doing this for the money... What was the case you had? Have they tested for hydrogen sulphite? I see this is done rarely where in fact a lot of people only get low hydrogen because there is competition with hydrogen sulfide in the bacteria and so it gets misdiagnosed as false negative because hydrogen sulfide is nearly never assessed

@Vision This is a position of British Association of Gastroenterology on SIBO testing and interpretation. https://www.bsg.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/AGIP-Best-Practice-Statement-for-HMBT_24.01.19.pdf "The recent North American Consensus document on breath testing (2) suggests that a rise above the baseline hydrogen level of >=20ppm of hydrogen within the first 90 minutes following ingestion of the provocation dose (lactulose or glucose) is normally considered positive for assessment of SIBO." Also, have a look at the preparation bit they list. Have you been told to be mindful of these things? Many things can skew the results if there was not a sufficient preparation for the test on page 2

On LF diet you can eat all the meat you want but it also encourages consumption of some vegetables, fruits and non-gluten wholegrains to still support a diversity of your microbiome. Eliminating all fibre containing foods will slowly shrink your fibre digesting bacterial colonies and can give you more problems in the long term. Carni diet is a good elimination diet while you fix the root cause but should not be done indefinitely, even low-fodmap should not be done more than 8-12 weeks.

@Vision Try an experiment, go on a low FODMP diet for 2 weeks. Make sure it is 100%. See how this makes you feel. You can download the Monash University app and I'd suggest buying aLF cookbook to make it easier on yourself. There is nothing like direct experience

Yes both lactose and gluten intolerance are common symptoms of that. It is not that lactose and gluten are a problem but that the imbalance of bacteria makes it difficult to digest it. But it could also be that you have genetically lost the function of lactase-phlorozinhydrolase, a lactose breaking enzyme-> this is also common. How are you with: garlic, onion, beans, soy, honey, mango, avocado? Also, have you ever been assessed for coeliac? what did she think was the problem?