Salvijus

Truth is never a toxic positivity. Truth is simply truth.

It's not toxic positivity if it's literally true. And it's not just one perceptive out of many. It's the only true perspective.

I'm not changing the words. I'm literally killing the whole idea of there being a fall from Grace. And you have no counter argument.

And I'm showing you the truth. If your spade is different than the truth then it is not worth much.

Making a mistake does not amount to falling from wisdom. Making a mistake amounts to lack of wisdom yet to be earned. It's the truth.

Making a mistake does not amount to falling from wisdom. Making a mistake amounts to lack of wisdom yet to be earned.

Then it was unearned grace by definition. A yet to earned by falling into that pit. Just so life could teach you the wisdom of not doing drugs. There is no real falling in wisdom or grace. The apparent falls are just lessons to deepen our wisdom and grace further.

To rewrite things to make it more true and fair. The main point I'm trying to get across is that there is no such thing as fall from grace. Or failure. We don't fall from grace, we simply happen to encounter situations for which we are not ready for. Just so we could grow in wisdom even more.

I would argue there's nothing rose tinted about anything I've sayed.

I would rephrase that as. "his wisdom wasn't good enough to navigate through drugs, community management, health management etc." so he didn't fall from wisdom. He never had that level of wisdom in the first place to navigate through successfully. But nobody has perfect wisdom and we all do mistakes and we grow. Important thing is he had sufficient wisdom to still be of service to people. So that's nice.

Yea I also think he did some things that were not coming from perfect wisdom. But I don't think he fell down. I would say the situation required a much more profound level of wisdom to manage than he was capable of.

There is something else I wanted to say also. Suppose osho got his punishment. The question I want to ask. Does that make you happy? Does that bring satisfaction to you? And if so, doesn't that mean that on some level you got what you wanted? To see someone fail and fall? Interesting questions to ponder mm? I would say if you're genuine, you will appreciate what good someone did, and you forgive their mistakes because what interest do you have in someone's mistakes if not for finding a way to criticize them? And what sick pleasure are looking for by doing that? Mm? Mmmmmm?

There you go. That's betterness.

@bambi anyhow your statement that all power is negative can't be true. Because there is a power to uplift humans, power to heal humans and that is a positive power.

If you transform darkness into light. It's control. And it's power.

Love is also manipulation and control. But positive. It transforms darkness into light.

Power can used for good aswell bro. That conclusion about The Goal can't be true then. Let people try to do good, support them and if they trip, don't spit on them but try to help them get up. That's the goal of life imo.

As enlightened as he was I believe his wisdom was not a perfection and that made him do certain mistakes. And those mistakes had consequences later on. We all do mistakes. It happens. But he gave some great effort and contribution to help humans aswell i would say. Something worth appreciating imo.

Aww. Nice pictures.

Also i liked the guru nanak wisdom about job being the means for your spiritual growth aswell. It's all very confusing in the end.

This is a topic i don't fully understand myself but here's my take. If you don't want to look where you step, you better be floating above the ground. If you don't want to worry about earthly matters, you better be abiding in Spirit with your every breath. It takes a certain level of development to sustain yourself with the light of God alone. And the problem is, it's really hard to tell when a person is ready for such a lifestyle. Ramakrishna paramahamsa says, the day you think of devi and tears of love flow from your eyes. From that day you can stop going to office and your life will be taken care of. You can apply that same logic to yeshua. But even that is not a perfect marker i feel. This topic is very confusing with many exceptions imo.

Damn. That's a bomb.

Bruh

The smile says it all... 🥲