Salvijus

It's worth mentioning also that there are many different types of transmissions with many different effects. That are designed to do mamy different things. To impact many different systems and energetic pathways or energy bodies. To download different energetic softwares. To plant different energetic seeds. To awaken this or that. For this purpose or that purpose. Accordingly transmissions are done, and also accordingly to what a guru has to offer. Accordingly systems are designed also, these systems become very rigid for a reason, because it is designed very consciously to a achieve a very precise outcome. You can't just start mixing random things in whatever way you like. And that's why it's so important to follow a genuine system/lineage that is authentic and not some scrap of different things And like this it goes...

It's rare to see someone so determined to do something so cringe.

Mmm. Can relate to this. Been in this situation myself. In my experience it can be quite torturous not to know where to go. I have a belief and also it is backed up with other scriptures and other material that confirm this, that we all belong to a certain group from birth and we have certain karmic connections to certain traditions much more so than to other traditions. The problem is with some people like myself is that they are very open minded and are able to appreciate the diverse expressions of spirituality and different traditions. And it's good. And it has its place and it is even beneficial to learn from them. But this confuses the hell out of them which direction to go. A simple visualization exercise you can do to know what your heart feels closest connection to. Ask yourself where would want to go after death, what heaven, in whose hands would I fully trust my life into. Would you like to fully surrender your life after death in the hands of Jesus, or Muhammed, or Shiva, or Krishna, or Lao tzu, or Buddha, or Durga, or this teacher or that teacher, or this goddess or that goddess etc. You will feel immediately that you feel a clear "no" to most of them. And when you find the one that you feel, "yea, I could fully give and trust my life into the hands of this being after death and be happy" that is your lineage. There could still be ego negotiating and debating if other paths are better and what not and not fully accepting it. But that's temporary. Eventually heart will settle where it is meant to settle and where it belongs. And you will see that restlessness and the desire to look anywhere else will vanish. You will feel like at home. Nothing wrong in exploring different paths tho. They all contribute nicely aswell to the spiritual progress.

If you were at the stage of where you can feel chi I could share with you what are the changes that could take place in the energy system, the kind channels that open up and begin to function and how it manifests in the body that otherwise wouldn't open up. I mean, it's wild... If I had to describe some of the initiations into Christ lineage that I went through then it would look like the last scene of Shrek where Fiora transforms and windows brake. Haha, don't take it literally of course. But it is like that in many ways. Even music is befitting here. One thing I want to say, without initiation even simple things like meditation or prayer does not work as it should. For example in Christianity initiation usually it is called baptism. These days I don't know if it's still alive but if it's done properly, that ritual is meant to open up your crown center, attune you to the gods rays of love and through that channel (called tian chi in Chinese literature) the pouring of light can happen into your heart. This opens up many messianic possiblities like clairvoyance, ability to heal, ability to read the soul of another, leave the body at will etc. You see... It can be life changing and that's why it is so significant. Without this attunement/empowerment/baptism/initiation, even if you mutter words all your life nothing significant is going to happen. The real practice of prayer is going to be missed entirely. It's the same with the kriya and every other spiritual path including zen. Also I thought I would share this book about African shamanism. It would give you a better understanding of the power of initiation, the significance of a lineage, and what wild things are possible out there in the world of spirituality. "Of Water and the Spirit: Ritual, Magic, and Initiation in the Life of an African Shaman" https://a.co/d/eGxTcHt

I've had a chance to receive initiations/transmissions from multiple sources. Yes there's a huge difference in my experience to the point I'm barely able to consider who are not initiated into anything spiritual at all. A bit like a joke to me they look. Even tho there was a time when I was doing things by myself uninitiated from the internet and I benefited from it. So it's a valid stage I guess. My belief is if you're genuine, your efforts will naturally lead to some place where you can receive an acceleration of some sort and take things to another level. And you look genuine so that's good:) Oh I see. There are actually ways to get initiated online even. The important part I think is to figure out where you belong to karmicly first and what you resonate with the most. And then finding the next step becomes very easy.

@Ayham oh I see. Most people don't stick to book yoga. That's why I was surprised. You should get initiated into something. There are many benefits to it. One of which is it helps to stick to the practice somehow. Some kind energtic support is given and sort of grace is there that has influence in that regard. Among with other benefits.

@Ayham impressive that you were able to stick to kriya for so long. Did you get any results? Can you feel chi yet?

Worst pick up strategy I've ever hear, lmao. The history of how Mormonism came to be is pretty interesting tho. Maybe you'll get some free cookies aswell. Nice.

Yes I agree. But the purpose of exploring different perspectives with an open mind is done exactly for the purpose of challenging our current understanding and gain deeper insight, wisdom, clarity into Truth of the matter. So. It's all good

I want to write something thought provoking. Neem karoli baba. A miracle worker, King and highly embodied being of love consciousness. Known to do supernatural things that defy logic. Died in a hospital with some diseases in the body. Master Chao Kok Sui. One of the greatest healers of all times, have healed dozens and dozens of patients of all kinds of diseases. The are cases where people from a wheel chair would start to walk after his interference. Had many health problems in the body himself and died prematurely because of it. J. Krishnamurti. A prophecied prodigy by the theosophical society. A messiah of God levels of love consciousness. Died with pancreas cancer. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Known as a god of love with extraordinary spiritual capabilities, knowledge and perception. Died with cancer. Vivekananda. Another legend in spiritual circles. Died at 39 with many health problems. Ramana Maharshi. Died with cancer. These are some that I can think of of the top of my head. I feel confident somehow that if you did more research on this. You'd find an endless list of similar cases. Now why am I sharing this? I was hoping this would challenge people's perseption as to how many factiors there are in human health and how complex the whole thing is. Perhaps we don't know all the answers of what makes a person healthy. And what are all the laws (visible and invisible) that determine health that extend far beyond just 'overworking' or 'lack of self care' lol I like one perspective on this subject as I heard one sage express his thoughts on "why enlightened beings get sick" he sayed, "the body itself is a disease..." wow. Quite a powerful thought. I was thinking for myself recently about this subject. Perhaps not to get sick is a violation of physical laws itself. Once you're on earth, you're bound to get some dust, there's no escaping it. For what it's worth. Sadhguru we if discount his brain incident, is probably one of the most vibrant and healthy individuals out there exceeding many norms in what the body can do on a daily basis. So that is also an interesting piece of data if you think he wasn't taking care of himself enough that should challenge that view perhaps.

There are many possible interpretations of the situation. I still think the one i proposed could be valid. Not out of defense but out of exploration of what's out there. And what makes sense and what doesn't. That's why I enjoyed your take because on some level it sounds logical. But there is logic in what I wrote aswell. I hoped you'd be able to appreciate it...

I thought it was pretty good

Nice Now that is interesting and honest perspective to read. I feel inspired to propose a few ideas for contemplation tho. First. Is Sadhguru (or any enlightened being for that matter) in need of self love to begin with? Or physical wellbeing doesn't matter to him. Perhaps body is just an instrument to him to do certain work. So as long as it is functional it is good enough. So he patched up a few holes in the instrument here and there with painkillers and whatnot. And it's all good. Perhaps he doesn't take the deterioration of the body very seriously. Only to the extent it is needed to do the work he's doing. Just an alternative perspective for contemplation here.

Mmm... I believe if you payed more attention next time you'd realize just how much you misinterpreted the whole messenge around sleep.

I replaced the word lack with forgetting. Almost the same thing as you. Only love is real, yes. But I don't call mirages as reality too. That's what calling fear love amounts to basically.

Wherever you see any of those energies at play, there love is Forgotten and veiled by illusions. And these illusions are being accepted as reality. A mirage is not the reality. Fear is never the truth. Only love is truth. Ignorance and illusions and fear are the forgetting of love/of reality.

Illusions are not the truth Frustration is not peace Judgement is not acceptance Condemnation is not forgiveness Belittling is not appreciatelion Contraction is not openness. Greed is not sharing Control is not faith Manipulation is not trust And so fear is not love, for all these are synonymous All these are but a lack of love

I meant to say fighting and defending your perception over others is futile because everyone sees according to their own level of development, self-awareness and purity of mind. And it's bad taste to impose your view on others anyway. I believe encouraging/fostering/promoting deeper self-reflection, deeper contemplation, deeper awareness, deeper honesty is the only worthwhile thing to do. And this will naturally lead in better judgement and perception of the situation. Plus it's not confrontational. We all get to be friends that way, yey!

Everyone should judge for themselves. Everyone will have their own perception and it's okay. 100 people will have 100 different perceptions of the same person based on their own level of insight and wisdom. I'm not interested in debating who has the most accurate perception of the situation. I'm rather interested discussing and exploring topics that foster self-reflection, contemplation, intellect, challenge our ego etc. That way it's much more fruitful.

It is good that you have your own perception. Everyone is free to have their own opinion of a person based on their level of understanding and perception. This is good. And I'm not interested in interfering with that. However there some topics that I find interesting that have potential for exploration and new insight. Like: the differences between slavary and volunteering, or the beauty of a devotee and surrender, the role of a shepherd on one's path and its depth and possiblities etc. This is where the gold of discussion is to me.

"About volunteers not being payed" The thing is. Sadhguru himself is not being payed. All the resources are being invested in to fulfill the Vision that includes a better life for All on the planet. The ones that are being payed and benefited by their work are us actually. The lazy grumpy people complaining on the internet.

Oh okay

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I don’t think I was trying to say, becoming hospitalized is good for humanity. I don't know why you credit that unto me.

This thread is about yoga vs psychedelics? 😮 What? :D... I don’t know what ad hominem means but Yea this is not cool.