Salvijus

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Everything physical has a spiritual side to it aswell. The condition of your relationships has a spiritual side to it, the condition of your health, success, money, etc they have a spiritual side it. "As above so below" kind of thing. Your conciousness is what mainly determines your reality. Love conciousness, for example, has certain qualities like abundance, glory, holyness, creativity, service (right carrier), wholeness, health, loving relationships. So if you're in Christ/love conciousness these qualities will tend to manifest in life aswell. Ego conciousness has its own qualities mainly sense of lack and inner conflict. So this conciousness creates a reality full of inner outer conflicts and problems with lack, disease etc. As you change your conciousness (or rise your frequency as some would say) , you change your life. The limiting beliefs and ego structure is mainly what keeps the frequency of your Being lower than it should be.

@Something Funny yea that second scenario sounds better than the first one. But life is more complicated then that imo.

I don’t disagree with your statements that we are too cruel to the animals. I very much agree that we should reduce that.

@Something Funny look we need to wrap this up somehow, we can't continue like this forever. Let's just say the practicality of eliminating meat from the diet is still a debatable matter. Can we agree on that much and leave it at that? We are not going to solve this debate ourselves. It's too complicated and we are not scientists ourselves.

It's fair. You can have that opinion I don't mind.

Making pets vegetarian is over the line in my judgement and opinion. I don't know how you came to that reasoning that vegetarian pets are a real thing. You're welcome to believe that. I won't try to stop you.

I hope you enjoy it lol.

@Something Funny You probably missed my previous comment in a previous page.

One sniff from my dog at an enriched kibble and he will look at me like I'm an idiot lol.

It's not about the number of examples. It's about how far did they push the line over of sensibility with their ideology. And for me making pets becoming vegetarian is way over the line. Lab meat... That sounds like another utopian vegan fantasy. Before you know it some vegan will invent an astronaut costume where you can breathe your own air without killing the bacteria and drink your own urine with added vitamins to survive.

No it's just my common sense speaking that animals don't do well on synthetic food and veggies. I had a dog myself so I know. You're missing the point. It's not about converting people to veganism it's about questioning their philosophy on life. As many studies there are that it's possible to live without meat, there are just as many that say it's not practicable to live without meat without health consequences. I've been vegetarian, mostly vegan myself and I know the consequences on health it has first hand. It's just not practicable long term. Maybe for some people that have a specific body type and have very high quality food available (mostly it's gone these days) But definitely not everyone.

Not convinced those animals were in good shape. Biased research probably. These days with enough money you can do bs research and prove whatever you want

And what if at the end of the debate it turns out that it's true? That meat is indeed necessary for some people to be healthy? Plus consider the fact that not everyone has the same availability of food. Plus not everyone has the same body type. And not everyone has the same health issues. Then veganism the way it is being pushed right now becomes impractical.

They should stop force feeding their pets (cats and dogs) with veggies, that's for sure. They should stop seeing killing as some unjustifiable sin. Because you can't live without killing. And they should come to terms that humans are half carnivores. Meat is necessary for many to be healthy. The only thing vegans got right is that it's wise to avoid unnecessary killing and minimize the cruelty as much as possible. But they are pushing those ideals to impractical levels. Even to the point of trying to make pets vegetarian lol. Wtf.

It's not about feeding good. It's about showing the limitations of vegan philosophy and coming to terms with some harsh truths of reality

Maybe if Vegans did more philosophy aswell they would realize their utopian way of thinking doesn't exist and is not practicable. Partially practicable tho. There're some good things in their ways of thinking. But it needs improvement.

There's a certain beauty in studying other people's reasoning imo. Reasoning is an art. Just appreciate it without becoming defensive about your own position. That openess to look and appreciate different reasonings people come up with is an auspicious quality and a sign of intelligence. Yea I watched that interview. It's dope.

I think you've missed the point of the comment. I wanted to bring awareness how much vegans participate in cruelty just by using their phone and enjoying city life. Which goes against everything they stand for. It doesn't matter how many times you respond. You're not going to prove that 1. Life on earth without killing is possible. 2. And that eliminating meat entirely is practicable. Once you accept the first truth, you've justified killing in general to survive. And the only question becomes where do you draw the line of what is too much killing? And the line is wherever it's practicable and sustainable. And that means meat is not outside that line. Although the way it is being done today is unnecessarily cruel and could be reduced. That I agree and support. If that's what vegans stand for then we are best friends.

The only way you can live in alignment with Vegan values is if you're living naked in a jungle. Because guess what, the moment you're using your phone, car, city comforts. It's all participating in destruction and cruelty in some shape or form. Just for you to have your phone people are slaving and poisoning themselves mining cobalt and you're using those products.

Okay but it's yet to be invalidated. You guys are just running circles calling what I say bs and saying nothing of substance.

You're yet to say something that would invalidate any of my points.

Killing is killing. Once you've justified killing even a microbe, knowingly or unknowingly you've justified killing to live in general. My points were: 1. Killing is unavoidable in order to live. 2. Eliminating meat entirely is not practicable. 3. It's good to avoid unnecessary killing. Your input makes no difference to these points.

Okay I was under the impression that RFK had the same level of qualifications and quality of research as other experts giving him an equal weigh in the opinion.