Salvijus

Okay one more. How is it relevant when despite you being right or wrong my argument still invalidates solipsism?

Okay I give up. I'm tired of this.

It's a big if. Whereas my position is undeniable. It automatically implies the will of god is manifesting through many more forms than just you. And that is a valid argument against solipsism.

I don't need to counter what is irrelevant.

You made not a single counter argument against the will argument. As long as it stands, solipsism is debunked as it directly disables any notion of you being a sole maker of the show which is the definition of solipsism. Everything else is irrelevant.

This thread should go to mental asylum maybe, lol.

But you have no counter argument against my will example. So as long as that stands, it is a yes.

You're both the Whole and an individuated part at the same time. And there are infinite individuated parts. And that's where the word solipsism becomes redundant to describe reality because it misses the relative perspective of reality.

If I'm wrong, then solipsism is still debunked. That's why it's irrelevant.

Whether people have experience or not is irrelevant really. To make the claim that you're the sole maker of the show you need to have full control of the show. Unless you have that, you can't claim solipsism to yourself. Lack of control is what proves that you're just a piece in a game not the maker of it. And with that goes down the solipsism.

I don’t assume to be finite. I assume being part of infinity. Where a certain amount of God's will is manifesting through this form. Every part is one with infinity. And also individuated at the same time.

There is only one show but because you're not in control of that show, it means you're just a small manifestation inside that show rather than a sole maker of it.

I don’t need to prove a finite self. I need to prove that an infinite self has individuated itself like a hand with fingers. Each finger being a manifestation of God's hand that performs a certain will of god. Once you realize a single finger is not in charge of everything but all fingers of God combined together are in charge of everything. That places you in a position of a single manifestation of God rather than the center of the show. That debunks solipsisms.

It's not a leap of faith, it's a natural conclusion. Once you realize things are behaving indipendantly from your will, that proves you're not the maker of the show. If you were the maker of the show, you could control reality like a lucid dream but x infinity times more crazier than that. Now you can only conclude to be a small manifestation of God's will only, and that too proves there must be other parts out there. Again a counter argument against solipsism.

I saw this in another thread. This is not true. The individuated part of conciousness that you are right now was never in full control of creation. So when that part dissolves in infinite, the rest of creation continues.

I'm real also. Even tho saying that doesn't necessarily prove anything, I felt like saying it anyways.

Jesus christ. In case you've missed it here it is again. In your direct experience your will is not ultimate, therefor you're not the sole maker of reality. Ggwp. Solipsism debunked.

I wasn't trying to adress what you were saying. I was giving you an argument why solipsism is bs.

The reality where everyone shares the same conciousness and where God's will is manifesting in everything and everyone, if that is your definition of solipsism, then I have no problem with that. I'm not sure you can still call a reality like that solipsism tho. It's true from one perspective, but it is lacking the relative perspective. The word solipsism alone fails to describe reality in its fullness imo.

Said a person who doesn't understand what will is. You really paid alot attention to what makes your experience indeed 👍

Just imagine a lucid dream where you can do whatever. It means you could control the universe like you can control the fingers on your hand.

It's your direct experience that your will is not ultimate. The following conclusion comes naturally after that.

Mm, more likely God is going to individuate itself infinitely more and more. So I don't see it ending.

Yes, and that places you in a position where you're no longer the sole maker of the universe. You're just a finger expression of infinity. And there are infinite fingers just like you.

The fact that you can't control reality to your will entirely shows that you're not the only manifestation of God's will. You're just a part of God. That automatically implies God is manifesting his will through other parts of himself aswell. Like a hand with multiple fingers. Therein is solipsism debunked.