Salvijus

So I finally tried the dancing in Bali. Dancing is my weakness really. But I'm glad I put myself through this. I could feel myself opening up slowly as the dancing progressed. Few tears even came out in those moments when I was able to let go and go free. Dancing is great. Sometimes decades of meditation cannot achieve what 1h of dancing can achieve.

Cartoonish replies are not going to cut it. Let's see some substance instead.

All that matters is the question "can religion be used to attain to wisdom and love?" All those pro religion will say yes and gives proofs for it. All those anti religion will say no and give proofs for it. But it only takes one proof that it can be used to attain wisdom and love to validate religion. When it only takes one proof, I feel this is the easiest debate to settle.

If what I'm saying sounds unreasonable, you can just point it out.

But that energy is not coming from the substance. The substance is only releasing what's already inside you.

Stimulants always drain, that's the nature of it.

Moses is such an interesting character.

@Thought Art how was your ring experience? Was I right?

I think a similar example to psychedelics could be coffee. On the surface coffee looks like a fuel. But in reality it is using your own energy reservoirs. It's the same with psychedelics. It doesn't give you energy, it redirects the energy from body to spirit by the means I explained before. Idk, it makes solid sense to me.

There's something on my mind that wants to be expressed. Why I think psychedelics are not a fuel. Because energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be redirected or change form. The science of enlightenment is simply a process of redirecting the energies that are clinging to the body into conciousness. It's because of ego most of our energy is clinging to the body, once we let go attachment to the body, these energies get redirected to the spirit. Hence increase of conciousness. All the energy needed for enlightenment is within us already, it's just a matter of redirecting it all into the direction of spirit rather than survival. Also, if psychedelics were a fuel, you'd not feel drained afterwards but charged.

This one is good about entities.

@The Crocodile tcare

If you say so

The most sophisticated and advanced substance you could ever take is the grace of an enlightened being. That's the best way I would argue. The crude ways are for dense people who are not yet subtle enough to work with spirits directly and need an external physical medium as a crutch.

Maybe for different people different paths are better. I personally prefer the ones that don't damage the body. Calling one way better than the other was a mistake probably.

There are better ways to open up.

Liver and kidney toxin.

Here's the question. Why are people puking during the trip if their substances aren't poisonous to the body in some way?

To achieve what

Blue lotus, morning glory seeds, bobinsana.

Pretty much yea. I tried some mild other ones aswell. But it didn't take long for me to see the consequences it has on the body and I stopped there.

I think it acts like NDE. Body thinks it is dying while on psychedelics. And that causes the soul to dislodge from the body giving rise to higher conciousness. We don't need to agree tho.

Just look at any guy tripping on the internet. They are knocked out physically lying like vegetables in coma. That's what allows them to fly in Spirit realms.

During salvia trip I couldn't feel my body. It dissociates/disconnects you from it. I became a floating awareness. My mental activity remained the same. So I'm talking about shutting down the body as a catalyst for expansion of conciousness. Not shutting down the mind, tho that too may happen. You yourself said that during your highest levels of awakening it's impossible to function physically.

Thank you for your valuable input