Salvijus

Good question really. I have no idea what's the answer tho ? Sometimes a person who doesn't even know any meditation just sweeps the floor and doesn't wish anybody harm is more advanced then a yogi pumping air in the mountains. That's why it's so hard to tell where people actually are. It can be very counter-intuitive. But I think there's a way of measuring this somehow. By how empty you are. And how much god/truth do you embody. Your actions usually tell if it's an action of god or ego. To what degree your actions are aligned with truth, that high is your development imo. But only one who is very developed himself can measure other people. One who is not developed in truth yet has no way of knowing who is who imo. Undeveloped people tend to measure things very backwards often lol. Most enlightened people just look at you once and they know your state of development just like that.

Spiritual debates be like

I think you're describing a state of samadhi or no-mind. The buddhist's definition of cessation is when all experience dissapears not just the conceptual mind. No experience means no experience. No sounds, no smell, taste, sights, feelings. Nothing. I don't even know if you're still conscious there.

End of beingness is the final cessation I think. There's utter nothingness. Then there's beingness/presence/consciousness. Then out of that consciousness creation happens. That's the explanation given by mooji. I hope I got it right ?

Yeah, sounds like a typical budhhist definition of cessation. Where all experience dissapears. A dip into a nibbana. In some schools they say one doesn't even have to go through god to enter nibbana. It's possible to skip it and go straight to nothingness. Or you can use god as a stepping stone to go to nirvana. Just adding some thoughs here

Dope So it sounds a bit like total cessation or nirvana experience to me. No?

One doesn't mean same.

People should replace the word sinner with stupid and unconscious. And then pray: "Lord, forgive me for being unconscious, forgive me for being ignorant, forgive for doing stupid things every day. I'm a stupid guy, and deserve the consiquences that come with that. Please all the forces in the universe pray for me and help me overcome my stupidness/ ego/ignorant/arrogant/sinnful nature" I think it's a very powerful prayer, makes you humble, invokes a desire to improve yourself and overcome your unconscious stupidness, and fills you with enourmous love if done genuinly. Acceptence of your stupidness(sinnfulness) is the first step towards overcoming it. It's an essential step. Without admitting that you have flaws, progress is impossible. I used to dislike this model before and argue against it like many. It took me a lot of time to see the wisdom and beauty of the whole thing. Amen

Just ask the facilitators if it's okey. If it's actually no big deal then there's no reason to hide yourself and then invent phylosophies to feel better about it. Vipassana is a high integrity place, if you start doing shady buiseness before you even entered the retreat, that's already starting of the wrong foot. Without a solid foundation of honesty and truth nobody attains to anything significant in spirituality.

Lol, all that complaning and venting about not having a gf is starting to pay off I see ? gg

I wish I had a paper and pencil with me when I watched it. I wonder if I had drawn the same thing.

"Silence is beyond creation and Creator" ~Sadhguru I wonder if this video in lign with what you're saying?@johnlocke18

? mind blowing.

I've heard this before, Sadhguru sayed also that the creator is not the end, nothingness goes beyond the creator even. But I still struggle to understand it fully. I've heard mooji say things like, everything comes from consciousness and there's is something beyond consciousness, absolute nothingness or smth. It's hard to wrap my mind around it honestly. It's like consciousness itself is appearing in something that is unspeakable. I share the same view also. I like what you're saying on this thread. Regards ?

@Gregory1 ?

The rule of not getting warning points is to not get triggered ?

@Jakuchu yoga vibe ? I wish I could put an avatar like this. But it's too misleading again ? i think If I was to put an avatar with a hot chick with big boobs, nobody would confuse that I'm a man ?

I think I should change the avatar someday ?

If I had to chose one, i'd chose perfect fullfilment. But in real life perfect fullfilment implies you understand the reality totally because the desire and longing to understand reality is there in everyone, and it's a very nagging desire. Without fullfilment of this desire there is no perfect fullfilment. So I would chose happyness. But my happyness includes perfect understanding also. In reality all those things go together. Max consciousness = perfect understanding = perfect fullfilment and end of suffering.

Just random thoughts coming. If there was a way to skip 40years of work to get to embodiment of god, no monk would waste his time grueling. It's funny how people who meditate 20min a day, masturbate and watch youtube videos all night and do some drugs occasionally assume that they have a stronger desire to realize the truth then a monk who sacrifises his whole life and does nothing but tears of pain sadhana to attain to that truth.

@Thought Art it's not like we have a choice right now. If there was a better and faster way to embody god than through spiritual diciplines that are available on the planet now. I think everybody would shift themselves to that method without hesitation. But it's yet to happen. Or maybe it won't happen even.

I think the answer is traditional daily spiritual grinding, the same way that was taugh for thousands of years already. Lol

The only reason people want to know the truth is because they think it will fulfill them and bring them happyness. Happyness and truth are identical. How happy you are is identical to how much you live in truth in that moment. How much you suffer is identical to how far away from the truth you are in that moment Total end of suffering = living and embodying the highest truth.

@Mosess i think I misunderstood something in your first post. Im not against the technological advancement tho.

@softlyblossoming?? I guess that's one way of doing things...