Salvijus

@The Crocodile tcare

If you say so

The most sophisticated and advanced substance you could ever take is the grace of an enlightened being. That's the best way I would argue. The crude ways are for dense people who are not yet subtle enough to work with spirits directly and need an external physical medium as a crutch.

Maybe for different people different paths are better. I personally prefer the ones that don't damage the body. Calling one way better than the other was a mistake probably.

There are better ways to open up.

Liver and kidney toxin.

Here's the question. Why are people puking during the trip if their substances aren't poisonous to the body in some way?

To achieve what

Blue lotus, morning glory seeds, bobinsana.

Pretty much yea. I tried some mild other ones aswell. But it didn't take long for me to see the consequences it has on the body and I stopped there.

I think it acts like NDE. Body thinks it is dying while on psychedelics. And that causes the soul to dislodge from the body giving rise to higher conciousness. We don't need to agree tho.

Just look at any guy tripping on the internet. They are knocked out physically lying like vegetables in coma. That's what allows them to fly in Spirit realms.

During salvia trip I couldn't feel my body. It dissociates/disconnects you from it. I became a floating awareness. My mental activity remained the same. So I'm talking about shutting down the body as a catalyst for expansion of conciousness. Not shutting down the mind, tho that too may happen. You yourself said that during your highest levels of awakening it's impossible to function physically.

Thank you for your valuable input

Let me rephrase it like this. "it disconnects, dissociates, shuts down, inhibits the body in one way or the other"

"the ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence" ~ J. Krishnamurti

Why do you think when yogis or buddhist monks enter a samadhi state, their heart beat and breath stops or they will go into some kind of suspended animation? Shutting down of the body = roaming the highest plane of existence. There are natural ways to do it. And there are ways to do it through external means. But external means will be damaging to the body and the results won't last.

Psychedelics are a little bit like NDE. That itself shows that your body is in some sort of temporary state of dying/shutting down when you're taking psychedelics.

It is inhibiting one way or the other, be it neauro toxics or some other inhibitors. Mostly it is poisonous mushrooms, poisonous plants, poisonous animal venom: snakes, scorpions, toads that are used. Mad honey is poisonous aswell. There could be some exceptions. But psychedelics usually have a shutting down effect on the body and certain parts of your brain. That's why too big a dose and you may not come back. Or it will disconnect you from the body in some way. The shutting down of body temporarily is what allows the energies which would otherwise be anchored to your body to roam into higher realms.

Normally your energies are anchored and rooted in the physical body very firmly. This anchoring doesn't allow your spirit to roam about much. When you ingest a psychedelic, you're ingesting some amount of poison in your body. This toxic substance makes your body inhospitable for a certain amount of time and the anchored energies get released and your spirit is able to fly to subtler realms of conciousness. Shamans use alcohol in same way to dislodge the spirit from the body so that the body would be more suseptible to spirit possessions for example. This method will have consequences on your body and mind eventually. Sometimes portions of that released energy fail to come back to the body and people experience dissociation, disorientation, ungroundedness, mental derailment, loss of will power to do anything. Shamans call it a lost soul phenomena and have soul retrieval ways of bringing that energy back into the body.

Then there is "the way of mastery" series that completely shattered my life irrevocably. It's Christ based. It talks about you being God very directly. Word for Word. It talks about life being a dream very directly also. Although you may need my help to locate those teachings if you're interested because there's a lot of diverse material there.

Then there is an Egyptian master named Hamid Bay. He's been into mystery schools since very young age. He had many siddhis and he was deeply awake. He had a visitation from Jesus at one point that gave him an inspiration to create a christian community. He gave many teachings about christ conciousness. His work is very deep and esoteric. https://thecopticcenter.org/about-us/our-founder/

Then if you want to understand the science of rituals in a church, read a theosophist C W Leadbeater "The Science of the Sacrament"

Take a look at Tau Malachi. His book "Gnosis of Cosmic Christ" especially.

Okay, I have nothing more to add for now 🙏