Salvijus

Hi @aetheroar Great post. When you say gods realization do you mean state of infinite love or smth? I think from a purely intelectual level there can't be anything beyond nothingness and that nothingness is your self. That's self-realization. Maybe levels of ego dissolution can be there but nothingness has no levels. I mean it's just logical, you'd have to dumb to disagree ? but states of love is a different thing. Idk if there's anyone here who could help you. If the claims you made are true, then you should know better than anybody here about these things. Regards ?❤

I think what most people fail to see is that improving your life, rising your baseline, evolving higher and higher existencially, overcoming our own stupidness on a daily basis is more important than temporary peak psychedelic experiences. Psychedelic experiences are nice, there's nothing wrong with it, but would anyone do them if it was a clear fact that they lower baseline, slow your evolution down, puts you backward? I think nobody would do them if that was the case. This shows that everybody values growth more than temporary experiences, if you're open enough to see it. The problem is there are cases where people actually benefit from them, they improve their life, rise baseline maybe, make them more loving etc. And that is wonderful. But the problem is that it only happens to few, the majority only damage themselves in ways they're not even aware of and get nothing out if it. Just a beautiful experience that makes them elated for a few days, and then drops down to the same place and become even more depressed, more broken, trying desperatly to go back to that experience to escape their problems. This leads to abuse of psychedelics, irresponsible usage, and enourmous degradation of that person and his spiritual growth. And in the end, even if you can gain positive impact from psychedelics, one thing is there's an inevitable damage to the system that normal people are usually too unaware to see because it's on a subtle level and the second thing is even if you benefit from them a somewhat, there are much better ways of achieving the same results through natural means of spirituality. If improvent of life and rising consciouness is your concern, natural systems of spirituality is a much wiser way of doing things. Psychedelics work only for a few, damages everyone without exception and the benefits that you embody into your normal state is either zero or negative or very minimal compared what you could get if you seriously invested your time and energy into a valid spiritual dicipline. And it's just not worth the trouble to get those lame results if any at all. This phylosophy only works if you understand that rising the baseline quality of your life is more important than having peak experiences. What's the point of having self-realization experience if when you come back you're still the same miserable stupid ignorant guy? Or worse, you become super arrogant and start to think you're greater than the buddha when you can't even stop masturbating like an ape, lol. (sorry)? When you see that this whole game of life is about going higher from one state to another consistently, steadily evolving higher and higher like the rest of the universe then you understand psychedelics are not as great as they seem and they have any number of problems attached to them. Nobody is against psychedelics, it's just that there are better ways of doing things, that's all, psychedelics are a poor solution to your problems that works only sometimes and for very few. Unless you know a real shaman who could guide you properly, then it's a different story altogether. I hope this didn't sound like too much of an anti-psychedelic rampage or smth? Just thought there's some value in typing this, sorry if this triggers somebody ? ❤

From what I know there are few different ways of how to end addiction. And all of involve consciouness work ? I personally can recommend doing a vipassana retreat, they will purge the hell out you. That's your highest chance to end your addictions. The practice of vipassana is oriented exacly to overcome cravings from deepest levels of the mind. I don't think there's another practice that focus on purification of the mind so much like vipassana. Idk. Another way is simply any other practice like yoga, pranayama, meditation and all that. They all work to different degrees but I think vipassana would be the highest when it comes mind purging. Cheers ❤

Haha, 40years is peanuts bro. I think as long as one is alive he can grow his consciouness until the last day of his life. Even if somebody is at the level of Jesus Christ and can resurect the dead he can still grow more and more and more. There's no end to it (probably). This is why for me adopting a spiritual dicipline and make it a part of one's life is so important. To make one's life into a constant process of growth and just grow, that's all. It doesn't even matter how far you go, simply go forward. Rise your consciouness endlessly. Like this life just keeps getting better and better, each day becomes the new best day. That's how entire existence is like, everything is just evolving higher and higher. That's how I see it, at least ? It only sounds scary, but really it happens all on its own effortlessly. In the beginning only the effort is needed to push start the process, to come to a certain state of realization and presence. After that you just sit back and enjoy the ride of life. Of course self-realization doesn't take that long, but it's also not the end of growth. ❤

@Snader @HypnoticMagician ?

I have a feeling that the problems that psychedelics can help a person with, like depression, addiction, lack of motivation, trauma release etc, are a bit coincidential. I bet you could get the same benefits out of any intense experience in life. Just take sky diving, for example, I bet doing sky diving would solve most people's depression, lack of motivation, some compulsive addiction and the rest of it. Sky diving could even transform your life in some very deep way, it could permemnantly change you and your view on life and that's good. But that's all child's stuff really when it comes to consciouness work, these changes may improve your life, but they're not of much spiritual significance. And really one should try to solve such basic problems like depression through natural means like meditation and healthy concious lifestyle, not by popping pills all the time. These days people are really crazy with these pills. Want health? pills. Want energy? pills. Can't concentrate? pills. Anxiety? pills. Depression? pills. Can't sleep? pills. Enlightenment? pills. Seriously... this is such a sloppy mindset for me... it smells like a disaster from miles away. If a person is really serious about consciouness work, it would be wiser to adopt a valid spiritual discipline and lifestyle that takes ones consciousness higher on a daily basis. And not to think that you can just skip 40years of work with this "new" technology. Tho yes there are some paths that include external substances to their spiritual practice but those are done exclusively, with very serious studends, under very specific conditions, with right guidence, practices and lifestyle along with it. Just doing drugs with no spiritual dicipline leads to nowhere, in fact people become degraded and dumb this way after a while. The only reason psychedelic users grow is because they have a meditation practice going along with it. To promote psychedelics for bare beginners who are just looking for exitement and an escape from their problems is just foolish. Even if psychedelics can be used for spiritual work potentially, they should not be promoted to masses because all the wrong people will take on it first, for all the wrong reasons, and abuse them in all the wrong ways. You need to have some sense not to give a gun to an ape. Sorry, if this triggers someone's nerve because it's a very sensitive subject around here ? Much love,

Timestamp: 24:00 - 24:30 Timestamp: 0:00 - 2:00 Ram Dass on psychedelics

"The longer you stay home, the more homeless you look" Lol, I can relate to this during pandemic times.

@HypnoticMagician

I have a feeling nobody understands this subject properly enough to comment about it here. It takes enourmous level of understanding of human system and mechanics of enlightenment and life to have something significant to say on this. But I'll just share my limited perspective on this. What I see is that usually people who are most impatient and compulsive and have no clarity of mind who are the most attracted to these substances. It's a very understandable desire, to sit on couch, masturbate, play video games, take some drugs and become Jesus Christ. Who wouldn't want that? But I have a feeling life doesn't work like that. In this life you only get what you deserve. Whether it's fortune or misfortune, freedom or bondage, in some way it is your karma. All those people who got enlightened by luck like ramana maharshi or sadhguru simply did their share of sadhana and hard work in their previous lifetimes. That's how things work here. You don't get anything for free out of nowhere just by playing video games. For everything you have to pay and earn it one way or another. A wise man understands these principles and aligns himself with them to reach the goal. That's why buddha's teaching is called dhamma. It means laws and principles of nature. Psychedelics can be used to assist to process of growth of you understand the laws of these substances. Otherwise you'll just slow yourself down by damaging yourself to varying degrees. But people like to take the chance while having wishful thinking that they will come out of the psychedelic experience untouched, undamaged which is a very childish attitude that stems out of impatience and compulsiveness and certain sense of desperatness not out of wisdom or awareness or peace. If you observe, it is usually the beginners that are most drawn to it not the sages or wise people. I used to feel very passionate about psychedelics first time I heard about it, like it was some super smart thing to do, as the time went on and I sticked to my practice and just rised my baseline sufficiently I came to the point where the idea of doing psychedelics started to make little to no sense to me. I bet if people could come out of their initial stages into states of presence and peace, the desire for such things would evaporate. You'd simply be content with the way things are unfolding in its natural way, in its own perfect timing. The way it is meant to be. "Nature is never in the rush, but always accomplishes its work" ~Tao Te Jing. Wise man is one who follows the natural laws and is not trying to force things to happen before its right moment. In the end everybody comes to their own conclusion about this topic according to their own inteligence and awareness. Non of us have a full picture understanding of this matter. But for what is worth, I feel there are much wiser, safer, better, more systematic and in the end faster ways of working on your consciouness than psychedelics. Not that I'm against psychedelics I just don't see them as great as they're being promoted here. Not to mention all the side effects and dangers assosiated with it. That's just how I see it today. I may change my mind someday. It's just a perspective in the end. Regards,

Discipline gives you freedom. Doing whatever you want leads to bondage.

If you say I don't want to die, the only thing that will happen is that you will not live ~sadhguru

You cannot lose what you give, you can only lose what you try to keep. ~Mooji

If you think you're great, then you're a fool.

Trying to manage life when life is managing you.

The more you seek security, the more insecure you become

The moment you try to be natural, you become unnatural. The moment you try to be smart, you become dumb. When you realize everything you do is dumb, you become smart.

One who has no will of his own, cannot be manipulated.

Christians don't like paganism and deity worship but their religion is exacly that. Christ worship is no different than deity worship. It's the same science and method. To tune in and absorb a higher energy and become one with that energy is the essence of christianity and deity worship that christians are so against of. I find this to be very funny and paradoxical.

Yield and overcome, Bend and be straight, Empty and be full, Have little and gain, Have much and be confused. Therefore the wise embrice the One and set an example to all. Not putting on a display, they shine forth. Not justifying themselfs, they are distinguished. Not boasting, they receive recognition. Not bragging, they never falter. They never quarrel, so no one quarrels with them. Therefore the ancients say. "Yield and overcome". Is that an empty saying? Be really whole, and all things will come to you. Lao tzu

Sharpen the knife too much and it will become blunt. Claim wealth and titles, and disaster will follow. Better to stop short, then to fill to the brim. Retire when the work is done, This is the way of heaven. Lao tzu

To be effortless is the hardest thing

Those who don't want anything have everything.

Deciple: Who will enter the kingdom of heaven first? Jesus: those who are first will be the last, those who are last will be the first. My translation: those who are humble will get to heaven first, those elbowing their way to be first will be the last

Ocean is the greatest, All rivers fall into the ocean because the ocean is at the bottom. Thus the most humble are the the most powerful. Lao Tzu