Salvijus

Anybody can understand intelectually that everything is One. But for a direct shift of perception where all false sense of duality vanishes, mental conviction is not enough. That's the problem with neo advaita. They just understand intelectually that there is no tangable "me", everything is just appearing and disappearing on it's own without a controler. This is all true and fine, but the actual experience of these words are missing. It's only true on intelectual level for neo advaitists. Actual shift of perception from seperate false self into unlimited no self is missing. What could be more ridiculous then this?

1. Seeker is not real. (True.) 2. Trying to achieve something called enlightenment only reinforces the illusion of seperate self. (Also true.) 3. Then how to brake the false perception of seperate self into a true perception of no self? 4. No amount of intelectual masturbation is gonna help to make that shift of perception happen and brake the illusion. 5. There are cause and effect in this world. Some things cause the illusion of seperate self to be broken where direct experience of no self is realized experiencially. Those causes are called spiritual practices. And with this my friends neo advaita got fully debunked. But what u will do is u half misunderstand what was written, become defensive about it and reply with something that has absolutely no relevence. Completly ignoring the fact that what is written above makes 100% sense and is a legit neo advaita debunk. I know because that same thing happened many times already. It's funny to watch things repeat itself again and again.

Okey i can't keep this up anymore. Im going to sleep. Good luck and tcare. I hope we can still be friends ? love u guys ❤

That's true on intelectual level. But unless we change our perception into direct realization of these words it is useless. There are cause and effect in this world. And certain causes can brake a sense of separation into perception of oneness. That's what spiritual practices are all about. This makes so much sense that only if you're super dishonest will u find a way to disagree with it. I hope u chose honesty.

@Leo Gura i forgive u

@Raptorsin7 :D

Ay ai ai... How do I reach these neo advaitists....

@axiom brooooo, don't ignore me ? Please, read it carefully. And be 100% honest to yourself. What i wrote before debunks neo advita fully. U have to see it. U have to. It will be your best day ever. U will become so much smarter and more inteligent. Why wouldn't u want that? Please examine it carefully without being defensive.

It's full of flaws really.

Mmmm... I hope you're still reading what im saying and not just being defensive about it because the energy is going out of hands. Please stay open if u can. Don't u agree that a perception in which we experience ourselves as seperate is deluded and false? And experience where we experience unity and oneness is real and true perception? Awakening and change of perception is identical i would say. Awakening simply means you no longer perceive delusions of seperation and u see only truth of one imperishable self. That's exacly what change of perception is about. Disillusionment is needed. And there are methods of how to brake the illusion of separation. It's very easily verifiable imo. Some of these paths have been proven to work for 1000s of years.

Yes there is none who walks. But there is an illusion that somebody is walking it. And that illsuion can only be broken when awareness penetrates all illusions and shift of perception happens. For that to happen awareness practices are needed. Simply understanding that there is no self intelectually makes no difference to your perception. U will still feel like u are a seperate self anyways. And that's what i call ZERO progress. Aka, still deluded as before.

No no no... change of perception is 100% a real thing. We all experience that we are a seperate self. And that seperate sense of self is an illusion. Illusion means a false perception. So a change of perception from false to true is needed. That is called enlightenment or self realization. An insight/a shift of perception where experience of seperate self is gone. If u really read this and understand it fully. It fully debunks what u sayed above.

Lol maybe. I don't even know the actual criticism of him ?. Im shooting in the dark here. Who knows. Made a deal with your mother? Accuse him of bad sexual behavior. Win lots of money. Be happy. That's as ridiculous as radiculitis Your opinion about him and my opinion about him is so...... galaxy of galaxy apart lol. If u could see what i can see, thinking he has no integrity would be almost impossible.

And what if that spiritual path actually leads to disillusionment of any seperate sense of self? Then all of that argument becomes impotent and unimportant imo. And if u don't follow any spiritual path, your sense of individual self does not get diminished even one inch. So zero progress is being made that way towards eliminating the perception of individual sense of self. How is that not lame?

I doubt he was a pervart. If i had to guess money was involved. And where money is involved people become crazy and do things to win some law case to win all that money and jk was really rich. Women do that a lot. At least in the movies Johnny Depp is a good example.

It looks to me that you're just looking for dirt without being interested in the teaching even ? that's not a good place to start imo.

@Raptorsin7 did u ever consider those gossips are not true? There are tons of bs about every spiritual teacher on the internet.

I generate him because i see the tremendous value and wisdom in his teaching.

@Raptorsin7 i usually judge people myself without relying on internet gossip and what i see and what the internet says doesn't match for me. There's literally tons of bs about every spiritual teacher on the internet if u search for it. And trying to find some dirt on someone without even being a little interested in his main teaching says something about your postion and where your dislike is coming from also imo.

@Raptorsin7 sigh... how many girlfriends somebody had or didn't have and all that gossip drama every enlightened teacher faces shouldn't be important here imo.

I think the only real teacher of "no seeking" was J.Krishnamurti. His teaching is just pure gold. A legend of intelectual cleverness and insight. However, the teachings got misinterpreted, distorted and misunderstood and now we have neo advaita lol.

@Consilience i think Leo's understanding of what no self insight is is different then the original version. That's why so much disagreement happens.

Leo responded to my post, that's so beautiful. ? The way i see it is that buddhists actually spend years penetrating the illusion of self with awareness practices and have a legit experiencial insight that they don’t exist as a limited tangable self. Whereas neo advaita literally don't do anything except mental masturbation. And those "enlightened" neo advaita spoke people are by no means free from illusion of limited self. Zero change in their perception has occured except a new belief system about what they are. Well, at least that's how i see it. I know we disagree on everything always that's okey, brother ?

NoSelf is very serious insight. Realization that what i call as "me" is just a bundle of sensations arising and passing away takes enourmous awareness and has increadible life changing impact on how one behaves and the freedom from suffering and false perception that gets attained. Unfortunately some people believe if u understand that there is no self intelectually, it's enough. That's so sad because they are missing the experiencial insight that can come only from intense awareness. Basicly that's like accepting that you're god and the creator of the universe because it makes sense intelectually and think it's enough without ever actually having that experiencial recognition and reality shattering change of perception. ...sigh.. there's a difference between intelectual understanding and experiencial insight and change of perception. And neo advaita is purely based on intelectual conviction. That's not even 1% progress towards the actual enlightenment insight... how can u not laugh at something so ridiculous? ...

A possible explanation could be that there's a lot of supressed, unresolved fears, anxieties, stress emotions in your deeper mind. Sometimes we can be exposed to some stressful situations like watching a horror movie as a child, and then carry those unresolved feelings/impressions for 50years or more unknowingly. Most often dreams are an expression of our unresolved feelings that reside in subconcious mind. Maybe u have lots of dark stuff there unresolved. (We all do actually)