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Weak sauce is good enough. Rising 1inch of awareness everyday will add up to something profound in the long term. The main point is to achieve permenant present moment awareness. Then you enter into a effortless 24h nonstop growth of consciousness. I don't know what you mean by mystical tho. But for self-realization, for becoming established in a permenant primordial awareness and even for discovery of Love state I would say, 1h a day is enough. It's the same with everything in life. When you want to become a master musician you don't have to focus like a motherfucker. You train your music sensitivity, sense of rythm, hearing abilities etc. Little by little you do. One day you become a master musician. At first you have to focus like a motherfucker to hear if something is out of tune or not but later when you improve you don't have to focus at all. You just hear everything effortlessly, you become so sensitive, the moment something is out of tune, you know it. It's like that with meditation really. When I first started to meditate I would have to focus like a motherfucker to feel the presence of the present moment. And now it's just there all the time even when I'm typing this message. And I didn't do any retreats (except vipassana twice) nor did I become a monk. That's what rising baseline means. It's not something you get during an intense retreat and then lose it. Once you raise it you can't lose it. Once a musician reaches a certain of music sensitivity or hearing abilities or sense of rythm, he can no longer lose it. It's just there, an effortless ability to discern sounds becomes part of him. He has embodied these abilities you can say. Same way once you reach mindfulness levels where you can feel your thoughts and feelings you can't lose this ability anymore. With time as mindfulness and discernment rises more and more subtler and subtler thoughts and feelings come into your awareness. Time comes when even before the subtlest intentiont arise you are already there to perceive it. Then you're in a boundless space of primordial awareness. And you can't lose it. Nor do you have to try to keep it. It's just there. Part of everything that you do. All this comes with daily practice not with brute force. You can't brute force yourself into becoming more sensitive in mindfulness or music. It takes time. Little by little you improve everyday until you become more aware and sensitive. Of cource pushing yourself very hard from time to time can be helpful also. I hope you at least consider this what I wrote before totally dissmising it Regards and good luck to you? @Leo Gura

I have a feeling that your idea of how meditation and inquiry works is little bit wrong. I saw you saying things like "you have to focus like motherfucker" or "do a 24h non stop sweat and tears 10day retreats" things like that and I wonder maybe that's not how it is. At least not in my experience. In my experience meditation or contemplation is just like an exersice. For example if you want to make 1000push ups and you can't even make 1push up. It will not make any difference how hard you try. But if you regulary practice few minutes a day you can slowly increase from 1push up to 2, 3, 4.. etc. One day you will reach 1000(Enlightenment) . Meditation or self inquiry is like a muscle of awareness or a muscle of discernment you can say. It's something you have to cultivate for a long time. A point comes when you practice this muscle long enough you come to an effortless primordial present moment awareness all day long. Like this awareness continues to grow, intensifying more and more. Step by step like a flower's blossoming. I don't know why but I had a feeling your understanding of how meditation and inquiry works is different. It felt like you were chasing some breakthroughs and big explosive moments by trying to focus like a motherfucker. It's not like that. Sober awakening opens up slowly like a flower without any fireworks. Takes time and patience. 1inch increase of consciousness everyday, everyday like a tree until it becomes a mighty tree. Meditation and spirituality is a life long process. A very natural process of evolution. (Of cource focusing like a motherfucker and retreats helps) Just some food for thought. I think this guy could help you. Regards ? +1. But probably there're more ways I think. ?

@Adamq8 you make some good valid points. ? I like this Cheers! ?

Hi @Gidiot Yes of course. When you say everything is not real, the other side of the coin is everything is an absolute truth, haha Adi shankara 3 statements: 1. "World is not real" 2. "Brahman alone is real" 3. "Brahman is the world" (say whaaat?) Lol. so it's just different ways of looking. I thought I've covered it already in my above posts if you read carefully Regards ? @Gidiot

Haha no, seriously. I wasn't serious about what I wrote. I just thought it's one perspective which makes sense, at least for me. I personally like the idea that all experience, normal or supernormal is still a distortion of mind and is just as unreal like every experience. Only when you dissolve the mind you experience that which is beyond mind and matter. Only that can be true and not distorted by the mind. Buddhism stresses a lot that you can only a have a real taste of this beyond mind and matter phenomena in cessation where there is no experience left only awareness is there. Well this you can argue if you want. I'm just saying what they are saying. I'm not a buddhist even lol. And I have no bias towards buddhism. I just think they make sense here. Also buddha sayes that every samadhi state is just entertainment for the ego. It doesn't necessary dissolve the mind. According to them only dissolving all experience of life is important. Total cessation. Everything else is just your imagination. When there's no imagination left then Truth remains. And that Truth is a state of cessation. Well it makes sense my friends it makes sense to me a lot. Of cource I'm not attached to it much. You can say everything, every moment is absolute truth. Everything that comes from emptiness is emptiness. No duality formless = form etc. It's the same thing. Just a different side of the same coin. I enjoy all perspectives My personal theory about psychedelics (which could be totally wrong btw) is that they don't dissolve the ego they trancend the ego. They push awareness temporarely by releasing a lot of energy from the Ojas above the mind and you experience this beyond mind and matter phenomena. In that moment you get an experience of absolute truth without dissolving experience. And at the same time you know that all experience is not true and imaginary. It's just a sensation of god's mind. That's what self-inquiry does in a way. One other thing that buddha sayes is even if you get this experiance of 8jhana of self-realization of god and everything is not real etc., you are still stuck in this game and are forced to experience life untill you dissolve this imagination into nothingness. Realization of god is not enough to end life, you have to dissolve all imagination, all mind. When there's no more experience, total cessation, that's the end of suffering, end of life, end of mind, end of creation. Buddhism can sound pretty dark sometimes lol. I'm just pondering stuff here. Don't take it seriously Regards ? @Leo Gura @Adamq8

Perhaps everything that you experience, every state you experience is a delusion. The only reality is That which is not experience. When all experience is dissolved then truth is left. Total nothingness. Cessation of all sense doors. Not a single thought or sensation like in deep sleep but still aware. I wonder if such experience is possible with psychedelics. This rises a good question. For example, christians when they take psychedelics, they experience Jesus, angels and stuff. Hindus experience Shiva or Krishna. Those who read about dmt entities start meeting entities. There are some who watch too much matrix and then take psychedelics and say I've experienced that life is a computer simulation. Everything is not real. And they're super serious they even end up in mental hospital. I know one person like that. So yes. I think potential for self-deception is a big one with psychedelics. The only thing you can trust is That which is not an experience. Because every experience is just a projection of your subconscious mind I think. I like what buddhist say that unless you polish your mind totally everything you see is not true. It's distorted with your own subconscious believes, likes and dislikes. The only way to know what is true is total purification/dissolution of the mind. Idk. Makes sense to me. Regards ?

I think I have one theory that could explain maybe. Before Leo used to be more of a truth seeker. Very passionate about finding out what was true and that quality resonated with many people including me. These days leo is more like an authoritarian. Criticising people telling people what's good and bad. He became slowly more arrogant no longer so much of a seeker of truth but a defender of his opinions. And there is some truth to the things he sayes but there's also some bullpoop sprinkles mixed with the truth here and there. That's what makes a very strange aftertaste after watching his videos. Both positive and negative feelings can be felt inside. It's like drinking slightly out of date milk and you can't tell if it's already bad or is it still okey to drink it. I believe Leo's a great guy with a good heart and love for truth. Everybody is capable of turning nasty sometimes when we become unconscious. That's why rising baseline level of consciousness is important. ?

@RMQualtrough @TheSomeBody you make valid points There's nothing I can say or add to this conversation since none of us know anything about it, it would be futile to debate further I think Stay Blessed ?

In mahasamadhi you enter Nirvana. In suicide you reincarnate in a worse place then before. You go to hell basicly. At least that what people say.

I mean this thread has already derailed into unconsciousness but nevermind. I think it's impossible to make a teaching perfect using your mind. Simply if you just raised your baseline level of consciousness from person to presence everything would fall into place by itself. You just have to focus on embodiment more. Then everything you do will become sanctified by grace. Universe will make your choices not your mind. It's an important step. No master allows his studends to start teaching untill they embody higher levels of awareness, except for a few exceptions here and there. Something I think that you should strive for if you want to have a more positive impact on the world. It's an essential requirement for spiritual teachers I think. Without it everything one does is a mistake to some degree. Person is always wrong. Presence is always right. Stay Blessed and Good luck on your Journey ❤️ @Leo Gura

Some spiritual esoteric schools use psychedelic plants to open up the channels in the body but there's always a master who knows exacly what they're doing and is supervising the situation. I heard these masters even infuse their own life energy into the plants and program it to function in a specific way before consuming it. I heard one daoist school in China that still do this practice and they have the whole system of qiqong practices to compliment the path but forgot the name of it right now it's not on the mainstream I'm not an expert but my guess is that psychedelics if not handled properly will definatly create damage in the energy system. And not just energy but physical and mental also. Psychedelics are a very violent thing. It's not a wild prediction. It's pretty obvious I think. Regards ?@Ora

Cool Understandable. But self-inquiry is not a temporary experience or insight you have. Self-inquiry is a way to distance your self from your thoughts little by little. Everyday if you do it it becomes more and more intense to the point where it feels like the head is going to burst open from energy. With self-inquiry you can achieve the same intensity like with any other chemical. It's only a question of time for your self inquiry to reach that level of intensity. It's not a question of effort really. It's a question of time. Human consciousness grows at a certain pace but it is bound to reach its untimate destination nonetheless. Through self-inquiry whatever growth you get it stays. You don't land back where you started. That's what moving existencially forward means. Just jumping on a trampoline of psychedelics won't get you anywhere. (Good for entertainment tho) Because the energy that you use to access those super states come from your own energy reservoirs. Leaving you less radiant then before when you come back. The intense energy people experience during trips don't come from thin air or smth. It comes from your own soul/energy body/Ojas. That's why you can observe some people who do too much psychedelics become like vegetables after some time. That glow and radiance is gone. They have drained themselfs rather then cultivate themselfs. With self-inquiry you are cultivating and increasing your energy and glow. That's why a sage always glows like a God or deity or smth. That radiance and presence is really the mark of ones true growth. I hope you're well ?@The0Self P.S. Not everything I say could be true. I'm just sharing how I see things

Lol bro. My path is literally like yours Self-inquiry, vipassana and primordial awareness of awareness meditation. Got established in a permenant primordial awareness state last year. Only about psychedelics I'm a bit sceptical. You might be the first person who could change my mind about them ?

@Being Frank Yang nice ?

Interesting. I can relate a little. So how did you get this shift into permenant primordial awareness. With psychedelics?

I think god realization happens when you push your awareness upwards high enough through self-inquiry. That's what psychedelics do. They unleash lots of energy from the body reservoirs temporarely and that blows their awareness upwards because energy and awareness go together. Like a lightbulp, more voltage you put in brighter it shines. Psychedelics are like overcloking your system 100x temporarely. This doesn't mean you dissolved your ego. You only created huge distance between ego and awareness. That gives you a god realization. What vippasana does is a bit different. They are not focused on creating the distance between ego and awareness. They are interested in dissolving ego. That's why they focus on the body because the location of the ego is in throughout the entire body-system. To fully obliterate the ego, every particle in the body has to become pure energy, no solidity can be left. Their logic is that the less ego you have the higher your vibration and awareness will naturally be because ego is what pulls the awareness down into a shape. So at a certain point when you reach full no-ego state it should be the peak of awareness a human being is capable of because there's nothing pulling him down except the physical body that has its own tax on consciousness. Vippasana and ego dissolution is a longer path with interesting cessation stages. Distancing yourself from ego is a another way and can be done in many ways like psychedelics or self inquiry for example but it doesn't dissolve the ego so much so you still have to go through the process of dissolution anyways to become free from suffering and end the reincarnation cycles. To reach a permenant state of awareness or a primordial sense of being one has to push his energies beyond a certain point of intensity and that's it. That comes with the evolution of soul/energy body. Either you do it with self-inquiry or vipassana, both ways you are bound to reach a point where when you sit your entire body vibrates with energy, then you reach an effortless acid state of permenant present moment awareness. Psychedelics give you a glimpse of this intense energy but it has a cost of draining the soul/energy body. Psychedelics can be used occasionally to open up certain possibilities and channels in human consciousness but overusing them will result in backwards growth. Ideally you want to cultivate energy into a higher and higher states with spiritual practices not drain it by recklessly abusing substances. Even if you do self-inquiry or vipassana in about 1-2years of daily practice a person would start feeling subtle energy vibrating in the body usually in the belly. This energy then intensifies and spreads across the body with practice. Depends on how intense your vibration is, that intense your awareness and evolution is. Interesting topic. I don't know how much truth there is in what I wrote. But these are nice thoughts for pondering I think Nice to see a legend here ? @Being Frank Yang

@BipolarGrowth ?

Lol, finnaly I can agree with you on something Now if you just realized that being angry, obnoxious and arrogant has nothing to do with authenticity, it's just a result of ego and low awareness, that would be fantastic Regards ?

Haha made me think actually, idk. All I know is that if you perform action from Love, it will have good consiquences. And if you perform action from ego it will bear bad consiquences. Actualized.org is unfortunately an expression of ego... sorry, that's just how it is. ?

It's inevitable that actualized.org will cause negative influance. Because it's a manifestation of unconsciousness. It's not a manifestation of Love. You can't teach Love by taking about it, you have radiate it. Godbless everyone ? Godbless @SoonHei?

God be with you.

+1. Can relate to this. Once you make a statement for or against something publicly, the pain of admitting you were wrong is 100x. Depends on how public your statements are. So usually unconscious mind does everything in its power to twist and turn the logic to defend its position and not to go through the pain of admitting you were wrong. Only a very very conscious person would have the power to do that. That implies lots of consciousness work which Leo still lacks. @Plabs I think the same. And I experienced myself what anger does to my health. Generating anger 10 times a day for years like Leo will have its consiquences for health. It's inevitable.

Hi @RMQualtrough Thank you for your comment. I hope you're well. I can't think of anything to reply to you right now, sorry. Stay Blessed ❤️ @Leo Gura Touché...

Haha, you got me But honestly, I'm not ignoring anything I just can't see much positive change in you in terms of embodiment and daily life. Maybe a video about your benefits from psychedelics would help. To be honest, what I see in you is just a normal amount of growth somebody would get after doing 6-7years of consciousness work which is what you are at. I think you're still growing at the same pace like everyone else. Your claims that psychedelics will shortcut dacades of consciousness work in a few years doesn't ring true to me. I can't see decades worth of growth in you. I think if you lost your memory of all the trips you had you'd be just an avarege angry person on a street maybe a bit better then avarage. But nothing special really. That's the difference with a real sage and someone who just had a temporary experience or an intelectual understanding. A sage woudnt lose his compassion and love and awareness even if his memory got all wiped out. The atmosphere around him would be charged and radiant with love. It shows that one man has gone somewhere existencially and another man is just jumping on a trampoline not getting anywhere really. --- About the "no technique can be fool proof" yes it is true but true spiritual teachers who engage in teaching others take lots of precaution to protect anyone from harming themselfs. If the process is dangerous they only do things with close supervision to ensure a students safety. They take their studends life very seriously as if it was there own. You on the other hand, very careless. You just inspire newbies to take psychedelics as if it's the highest, fastest way. And if somebody gets metally mad or gets his life ruined it's their own problem, lol. That's not how conscious beings would behave. There're also karmic consiquences from giving bad advice to people. Almost everything you say is just an opinion that you currently have and that is always changing as you grow. Dangerous game you're playing. Unless a person is able to take full responsibility of his advice, he should not do it. Giving advice left and right without understanding the subject fully in not what conscious beings do. Okey, Love to you and good luck ❤️

Yes you're right. Psychedelics have been used for spiritual work. But I don't think they were able to shortcut the journey much. They still had to go through gradual awakening and embodiment like everyone else using meditation and whatnot. If used right psychedelics can assist the process of awakening but there's a difference between how a shaman is using the substance and a random dmt hippy. One may benefit and the other may ruin his life. Or a drunkard-sex addict and a occult tantric yogi. Both do the same things but the result is very different. I just think the way you approach spirituality won't lead to a good future and good results. At least I can't see any evidence of it yet. I'm still rooting for you to blossom someday with this method of yours. Maybe then I will change my mind about it. Regards ? @Leo Gura