Salvijus

@mandyjw the god of nothingness ? It is zen primordial energy temple (dhyanalinga). I have a yantra and a picture to support and deepen my zen insight into the source of all things. It can be used to deepen ones meditation. I've even been in that temple so I have a strong etheric connection to it now. ? a video on dhyanalinga

I have an answer to every problem in the universe. Just watch your breath ? joking. but it's a little bit true ?

Don't know how to respond to that ?

Haha sorry ? I hope it really sinks in because it contradicts the fundamentals of what leo is teaching this is huge stuff im talking. Yes I agree to some extent. Nothingness and love are two sides of the same coin really. That's cool. ? I have a feeling a didn't comprehend fully the previous post of yours. Sometimes it takes a long time to sink in what you write for me ? ? P.S. just arrived my a course in miracles book. Lets see what Jesus have to say about it ?

Fundamental truth of who you are is nothing, not love. Nothingness is the source, love is the manifestaion. Both are you. But to say love is your absolute nature is not true. Nothingness is your absolute fundamental nature. Nothing beats nothingness. Yet all qualities like love and bliss and peace are one with nothingness. Nothingness is King. No logic can beat this. Mic drop. Michael jackson moon walking away...

So? What does that have to do with anything? ?

That's next level altogether ? maybe I can give you tips how I dealt with my stomach problems one day but not here ?

What I wrote has value. It was not to debate people. People need to realize that love is not the source, nothingness is the source. Love comes out of nothingness and therefore are one. Everything is one. Nothing and love is one. But to say love is the source is a false teaching...

Now you're doing the same thing.

@Shin okey I accept that. But I don't see any clear objection in what you wrote that what I'm saying is illogical or is not true ?

@Shin end of experience is not an experience. At least it is not a phenomenal experience. Maybe a non phenomenal experience that can't be put into words becouse it's beyond all words and all qualities. Nothingness is the best word for it. Yeah we may have some difference is what we mean by nirvana. Nirvana in my language means the end of phenomenal experience or cessation could be called

Well there's a thing called cessation or nirvana or nirvikalpa samadhi where all manifestaion and and love and bliss dissapears. What is left is only nothingness. So obviously love and manifestaion is secondary. And nothingness is the fundamental source of all creation. At least it makes sense to me.

@BenG ?

Manifestaion is secondary. It cames and goes. Nothingness doesn't come and go. It's the fundamental nature of who you are. Love is a secondary nature of who you are. Love is your fragrance. Nothingness is your true self.

@BenG i see. Fair enough. if you're new to nonduality it may take some time to grasp this that all manifestaion comes from nothing. Manifestaion can cease to exist. When everything dissapears. That which is left is called Nothingness/absolute/Shiva is the Source of all things. If it's not sinking in at the moment it's okey. I don't know if I can say something to make it more clear.

That which has no quality of it's own is called Nothing. It's consciouness, pure awareness, Shiva. The creation that comes out of nothingness is Love/Shakti/Manifestaion Both are ultimately one. There's no duality. All creation is ultimately nothing because it comes out of nothing. But you can't call the source Love. The source is Nothing, the manifestaion is Love. That's why consciouness/nothingness is more fundamental than love. And consciouness is what you are, and consciouness has no quality. So... do you see what I'm pointing at? ? Nothingness and love is sort of the same. But if you want to be 100% logical than your fundamental nature is nothing. Your manifest nature is Love. Manifestaion is a secondary thing. Nothingness is absolute. In cessation love and creation dissapears. Obviously love is not the absolute thing then.

You have stomach ache? Man I can't believe how similar we are, except for that grampa story ?

That's a normal procedure of things. Yes. Everything gets recontextualized to be love when your eyes become pure enough to see it. Ego is distorting reality. Undistorted reality is love. That's why they sey truth is love. In that sense yes. But your true nature is nothingness beyond any quality. And you're also love becouse it comes out of you. Lol but nothingness is more fundamental.

Yeah we can point to anything and say it is love. All creation is love. But you need to be in a higher state of consciouness to see that. Everything is love but misinterpreted to be something else because of ego and low conciousness. That's fine. Everything is love is a good teaching. But nirvana is beyond it. Creation is love. Source of creation is nothingness. ShivaShakti bro.

There's probably some truth to it I intuit. But I wonder whether it's the highest truth? It seems more logical that nirvana would be the highest truth not God consciouness. That video on sadhguru exclusive shows that all these masters like buddha all knew about the infinite mind and god and love and choice to move beyond it and sayed it's still not the end. It feels more convincing to me personally.

That's true. I don't really know what I'm saying. But it feels logical. Plus it's my experience also. I haven't heard a good counter argument that there is something beyond primordial consciouness without any quality. All qualities and states are secondary manifestaions from that which never comes and goes and has no quality. You'd have to be some super logic bending avatar to disprove that ? All those secondary manifestaions are you also. Thats okey. But it's not your fundamental nature.

Nice try. But no. Nothingness is not love. And Im not talking about human emotions. You should make more effort to understand what Im saying before replaying.

@Raptorsin7 see.. it's very simple logic to me also.

@Shin no bro. Leave love alone. Love is a quality. Consciouness is without any quality. Consciouness is your fundamental nature. Yet you're love also because love came out of nothingness. So we sort of agree. But the ultimate is nothingness. Love is secondary. Love is a manifestaion, not the source of manifestaion.

@Raptorsin7 Exacly. Shakti means energy. The whole cosmos is one energy and that energy is love. All creation is love. But all creation comes from nothingness/shiva. So conciousness is more fundamental than love but they go together also.