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@Waken It's a strange thing, Mooji doesn't speak of it much and the process is not official in any way. Just his presence is transmitting nondual understanding alone. I heard him say many strange things over the years like, "One day, when you're ready, I will say a word to you, it could be any word and that word will be like an energy code that enters you and deconstructs your entire personhood" stuff like that. He speaks about things like that only on his private website usually. When I say I received transmition from him all I meant was that I attended his satsang online. Where he openly sayed he's not teaching anything, rather transmitting and it's up to us to receive it or not. After that satsang my self-inquiry totally changed. Things started to open up inside in a different way then before. ? Excerpt from Papaji's book

@OBEler Yes of course. No doubt about it I've experienced a few online transmitions during the pandemic with other teachers like Mooji and Mantak Chia. Was very powerful. ?

@OBEler Yes ? when the programs where still happening in person not like now

It is the initiation that is important not the instructions. It's more like baptism or consecration. It's a very sacred process that can change your life in ways you have not imagined. Without initiation maybe your lung capacity will increase, but transformation will not happen. This video might be worth watching to understand a few things about life. Stay Well ?

I can relate to what @Vytas sayed. I had the same experience. Shambhavi is probably the most effective practice that I know that gives you so much wellbeing in so little time and effort. I remember when I used to do self-inquiry for 2+ years and I was still super miserable and depressed all the time. It gave me a lot increase of self-awareness but it couldn't solve my mood at that time. Then when I learned shambhavi what I experienced was that in a very short time depression was totally over. I totally forgot the meaning of depression. I didn't even notice when it dissapeared. I really don't know any other practice that could do this so effectively and in such a short time. Of cource I still do and like self-inquiry, it has it's own beauty. But shambhavi has that very noticable superficial happyness effect. It's a bit like getting a little intoxicated everyday in the morning so that life looks more beautiful and less heavy It's sells well. I think shambhavi is what most people want in today's world. To enjoy their life is not a small achievement. There are many meditators who are on a spiritual path for many years and still having a hard time with everyday suffering and depression. I think there're now online initiations happening into the shambhavi practice. It's quite exciting. ?

Initiation into self-inquiry can open many doors for you. I don't know much but Papaji and Mooji use initiations into self-inquiry. Then it's a different world.

Also in a few hours today Gangaji will be streaming online meeting. It would have great benefit for you that you wont be able to appreaciate at this point perhaps. I recommend you make use of this possibility. She's an advaita, self-inquiry teacher. Stay Well ?

@meow_meow Look...there is no end to meditation practice. You think Mooji or Echkart Tolle got enlightened and stopped meditating? No, they made meditation into their permenant state. Echkart tolle is in meditation 24/7 for like 40+years. Same as Mooji. You have to reach this state where presence is no longer an effort for you but your natural state. Then you will grow without even trying at the speed of light because there will be unbroken meditation in you every breath that you take. When you reach permenant state of presence you can stop self-inquiry at that point. But you need it to leave the earth's atmosphere. Once you leave the atmosphere, You're done. Good luck and keep growing, wishing you well ?

Hi If a thing makes your life better, then it is always worth having it. No matter how small that thing may be, if it makes your life better then it's worth doing it. With shambhavi you can make your life endlessly better. And every day becomes the best day Stay well ?

Being present sounds basic when you compare it with other esoteric stuff out there. But all the spiritual disciplines that are there, if they are focused on self-realization, then it will lead to a state of presence. Because self-realization is not anything other than a state of presence. Just the intensity may vary. At first a state of presence seem like something you pay attention to. Then as you keep paying attention to it, it intensifies more and more. When it becomes very intense you realize that presence is not something you pay attention to it's something that exists irrespective whether you pay attention or not, that it is effortless, it's absolute, it's infinite and it alone is real and you're that. That's self-realization. All the different spiritual disciplines that are out there in the world are trying to enter this state of intense presence. It could be mantra, tantra, complex breath holding, impossible body postures, whatever it is, all that is to come to a state of intense presence where things become One. People think staying present is for beginners and standing on your head for long hours is for advanced ascetics. But it's the other way around. All the techniques are only neseccary until you a capable of simply Being. In fact, all the complex techniques are just a prepartion for those who are not able to simply Be Present. So by definition conscious non-doing is for advanced meditators and everything else is just a preparation to get you to that state. In truth, Being is not a technique even. It's so metta that it trancends all techniques. Really, being one with your own essence is higher than if you can levitate and fly around the earth or split the ocean into half or do some other miracle Yes it is so. Self-realization has a much higher value than all the miracles and meditations like conscious non-doing, being aware of awareness, being present takes you there in the fastest way. Zen and advaita are the fastest most direct paths to it. And Echkart Tolle is a teacher of them both P.S. I'm not against any path, I like them all Stay Blessed ?

Echkart Tolle's super ordinary outlook is so deceptive. He never has "I am special" smirk on his face. To the point that many beginner meditators start think better of themselves and more advanced than he is. To be god and remain so ordinary takes very high level of refinenment and purification of the mind. "My sober state of consciousness is more pleasent then lsd state, that's why I don't do psychedelics, they only bring me down" ~ Eckhart Tolle Personaly I've meditated for 5+ years and I listen to Echkart every day. I always learn something new from him. And the funny thing is - being present is the highest and fastest way to self-realization. But people think it's for newbies... I laugh at this very often nowadays ?

I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you write ? However I feel to explore a bit more on this topic. I tend to think about this in this way. That psychedelics don't affect the consciousness, they affect the brain, the receiver of consciousness. It's like a radio, waves and frequencies are in the universe and by changing things in the radio you receive different sounds. So by taking psychedelics you change the state of the receiver, perhaps you change the channel and suddenly you're in different world altogether or you expand the range of how much more information can the receiver download. When you go to sleep you don't turn off the consciousness, you turn off the receiver. So you can't affect the consciousness you can only play with instrument of your body-mind-receiver. An alien would perhaps have different possiblieties and states of experience because his instrument is different. Same with animals. Don't take this too seriously because it may not be true in the end, idk, it's just something interesting to think about Stay Blessed. ??

I think what Rupert Spira says makes a lot of sense. That you can't increase consciousness you can only increase or decrease the density of your ego. From what I understand psychedelics seem to do is they somehow override or remove this weight and density of ego identity temporarily or perhaps make a small crack in the shell of ego and can show you what's beyond the clouds into some facet of god through that open window. But they don't do anything to consciousness directly. The only real question is how much access do you have to this infinite intelligence. Your brain is like a receiver of consciousness. If it's cramped with too much personhood then you cant download much of this infinite intelligence. You have to make some space in there first. That's what psychedelics temporarely do. They remove the clouds. I honestly feel this makes sense but it's not for me to speak on these matters Regards ?:)

Ram Dass shares very useful thoughts on the same matter. Worth watching. ?

I guess I know what you mean. I would have the same dilema with video games. Wanting to know if I would remain present when playing video games. Perhaps it's even more difficult than the alcohol challenge I heard gurdgeff used to make his students drink bear and make them stay aware. I don't know why that matters. ??

lol It's not forbidden Do you live in a permenant state of presence/nowness?

Echkart Tolle says that if awareness is your permenant state(in other words enlightened) you can get drunk on alcohol and nothing will happen to your level of awareness. But if you're still not established firmly awareness and you get drunk once in 1-2weeks it will considerably put you back in your progress of rising awareness. I wonder if it applies to psychedelics the same way.

Don't try to understand him, his whole point was to trigger you. And he did that very successfully. The fact that you can't stop thinking about him is the proof of that. "You can love me or hate, the only thing I don't want is to be ignored"

To add a little bit on your question. I would stay present while reading or listening something "boring" like you say but it still drains energy and makes you feel tired. When you listen to a very mental person it's like a vampire who sucks life out of you, no matter how present you are when you listen to someone who speaks from presence, it gives you life. ??

Don... That was horrible! Please write something from presence , even one word. ? otherwise it's just too flat (or boring like you put it) GL ??

Stay Blessed ?

Sorry, it's contagious tho ?

Reaĺly? ?

Hi @The Don ? Cool thread. I see that you already started the process, that's very great. I started being present more than a year ago also. I'm writing this text in present aswell you should try it ?

@BlackMaze ?