Salvijus

You sure? How do u know? After all awareness is eternal. So how can there be a cessation of awareness? I heard once rupert spira share his experience of being under anastesia where he was put into coma. And he reported there was no discontinuation of awareness. All experience dissapeared, yet he was still aware. How would u explain that? Is that different then buddhist's nibbana state? Edit. Even by goenka's definition of cessation he says all sound, sight, smell, touch and all experience dissapeares. Then you experience something which is beyond mind and matter, something that can't be spoken about or described.

Experience is movement. When all movement stops. That which remains is not a movement, that is called the void. Another way of saying is, existence is sound, sound comes from silence. Silence is the void. Silence is not an experience. Silence is no-experience experience tho. Void is a no-sound sound. It cant be called a sound because sound is a movement and Silence is nonmovement. That void is the pure formless awareness and the canvas on which existence and sounds play. Only becouse there is silence, sound becomes possible. Void can exist without sounds, but sounds cannot exist without silence. I don't know where I'm going with this. But it's going somewhere deep.

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Well I suggest to we stop seeking because seeking is the problem that gets us away from what we are. But the problem is, the seeking is happening unconsciously and involuntery. The seeking can only stop if the identity is fully broken with mind activity. For this to happen awareness has to be Sharp as a laser. This is where practice and all the spiritual disciplines come into play. There are many ways to brake the identity with the mind and stop seeking. Energy ways, yoga ways, chanting ways, devotional ways, cultivating awareness buddhists ways etc.. To stop seeking is not a question of an attitude, like today i descided to stop seeking and thats it bam, I'm enlightened. Lol no. Not like that. Mind is striving constantly to become something more, 'I want' is an never ending desire if one observes he can confirm this easily. To stop seeking is to stop all mind's activity. To stop seeking is total ego death. To stop seeking is to brake all identity with mind and expand into infinite consciouness. For this to happen there are many methods.

'Identity with thoughts' I think is one definition but perhaps not the full definition. To trancend ego is to trancend mind and it's activity and the identity with the body-mind. The deepest identity we have is the Seeker. 'I want to achieve something' this identity I call ego. If this 'I want' is surrendered, ego dies. Thought activity also dies. Because ego lives on 'I want' and all mental activity starts from there. If that is gone, then there's just pure awareness infinity nondual samadhi. If that's not happening then that could only mean one thing, that effort 'I want' has not been fully surrendered. Maybe partialy surrendered. But far far away from full and total surrender.

The common thing that I notice in people who say 'I stopped trying, I'm already the awareness' is that it's just intelectual. The actual stopping and surrender is far far away from actuality. In my understanding, when the actual end of seeking happens, it's a state of absolute samadhi and stillness. It's absolute ego death and omniscience and infinity. Because ego can't survive without thought activity. And tremendous intensity of energy is there. So all these things is what indicates that one properly and genuinely surrendered the desire and effort. If that's not happening, in my understanding it's a fake surrender. Fake enlightenment can be called maybe.

@Tristan12 lol ? you could be right.

I'd be slightly sceptical and careful about this. My explanation would be that people go under the mind, not above the mind when they play games. It's the opposite of meditation. Just saying.

In my opinion it all leads to the same place. If you surrender, there will be in increase of energy. And if you increase your energy, there will be surrender. They go together. If you get one you get the other also. That's why kriya yoga works. That's why surrender on psychedelics is easy imo because the energy is intense. In the end enlightenment is all about intensity of energy. The more intense one's energy is, the higher the awareness goes, the deeper the surrender goes also, the deeper the trancendens of ego goes aswell and the deeper the realizations go. All go together imo. Even purification of the mind or shadow work leads to the same results. That's why there so many spiritual paths but ultimately they all lead to the same place I would say. To the place of peak energy and peak energy means peak conciousnes/trancendence/ surrender etc.. That's how one can measure one's progress perhaps. Tho it's probably not the perfect way of measuring.

@undeather sorry sorry, you're right. It was just a random number ? but there seems to be many more people who have these side effects unreported. I'm myself not a very social person tho. But people around me do share stories how, coworkers or friends or sister's boyfrends etc had these concerning side effects that paint a scary picture. I know it's not substance evidence or anything. But these stories do seem to be common among relatives or close friends for many people it would seem. Personally, I'm afraid of the vaccine much more then I'm afraid of the virus lol. Virus seem harmless to me. Again, it's just a gut feeling. Nothing substencial. It's nice to see a real doctor here share his perspective

My father had heart problems and lumps appearing on the body from Johnson vaccine. But I don't know if that counts as anything convincing. There are probably dozens and dozens of people who had bad side effects of vaccines and simply didn't bother to report anything about it. When I look around at relatives it feels there are many more people who get bad side effects then the statistics say. In europe and many other countries all the vaccines mandates are coming to an end already. Nobody is taking omicron seriously anymore. It's just a flue or common virus. If I had a chance I would just wait it out. It will probably be over soon anyways. No point injecting yourself with shady fluids imo. (Disclaimer: I don't know anything, I'm just using my gut feeling)

I think I heard sadhguru say somewhere "mysticism and mathematics are inseperable" I think by mysticism he means the mechanics of creation or smth.

Yea, he sayed even heavenly exctacy is samsara. The guy is really something. Probably he's true. But to come to his level of understanding and perception may take enourmous maturity imo.

@Thestarguitarist14 you still didn't get my point. Sorry, im going to sleep. Ciao. Take care ?

Abusers of power are the thievies. That include white and black and every other human on this planet.

It kinda reminds me when theives complain that they got mugged. People who abuse power themselves all the time complain that others are doing it onto them. There's a joke here somewhere if you dig deep enough. Okey, im out now for sure.

@Thestarguitarist14 im not denying that white used their power over black unfairly. The point I'm making is totally different but you're not getting it i think. Probably not even trying to get it. Okey im pretty sure it is not getting anywhere. Im out.

Yes you have power. Go to place where black people are the majority. They will shit and trample on white people. We are all the same. None us are pure. We all have abused power over weaker ones at least once in our lifetime. That's an important insight if you can digest it.

Yes. White people have more power. And they are abusing it. And they are retarded for doing so. Im not defending them. Im just saying black people are no better when it comes to being a saint not abusing power.

You're complaining about abuse of power yet you yourself are abusing animals. Don't you see the problem here? Everybody abuse everything when they have power. And black people are no exception. Saints are exception tho. But you're not one of them imo.

@Thestarguitarist14 my point is black people abuse power just as much as white people abuse power.

@Thestarguitarist14 animals are being treated like slaves right now. Have you not eaten meat in your life and used your superior position as a human to abuse weaker form of life?

@Thestarguitarist14 yes, the world is unfair. But are you yourself a saint? Have you never used your power over someone weaker? Are you even vegan at least?

Now that's name calling. Calling everybody rasict can offend somebody u know ?

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