Salvijus

I think zen cultivates a single form of energy. But that form of energy is not the only one there is. They leave out sexual energy and outside energies and many other types of energies. Love is also a different kind of energy i believe. Zen is about cultivating primordial energy of awareness. Cultivating nothingness presence energy. Which is good. The highest form of energy is primordial energy probably. So they're going straight to the point. Very smart people. Kriya is also about that but there are all kinds of wacky things going on there also. They can create entities, do astral travel (leaving the body at will), do energy healing, have siddhic powers, explore wacky states of consciouness. It's very broad. Im not even qualified to speak about it honestly.

No i didn't. I don't doubt what you're saying tho. I understand your argument that zen produces enourmous energy. I practice zen a lot. My body trembles with prana when i simply sit. I would argue all paths are about energy in the end. Even christianity.. in a state of love the energy is flowing and refining itself making the alchemical processes that transform every molicule and heals the soul. Etc. Love itself is the highest form of energy. (According to some wise dude)

Mmmmm... idk actually also. ive heard few options here. One is total dissolution and nirvana. Means when the physical body dies. Soul kinda merges with the source and you're gone. But idk... it's hard to wrap my mind around this version. Ooor, u achieve a rainbow body, meaning you can be an ascended master like Jesus Christ. Float around in other realms. Aaa... i really lack knowledge here myself ?

Yea it's a mindfuck when different traditions give different definitions of what the highest goal is ?

In this context when i say highest goal i mean full dissolution of ego. Total wipe out of samskaras and defilements. That's very buddhist version of full enlightenment/liberation. Mystism is like exploration of different dimensions of consciouness.

But is he full arahant?

Every path is energetic by that logic. But zen is the path of awareness predominantly. Kriya is a path of learning to manipulate various energies in the body and outside of body. They are very different in many ways. I think im being fair in saying this.

Shinzen has reached the final goal of buddhists enlightenment? I watched a few of his videos i think he still practices. Could be wrong And i didn't mean if somebody stops trying he had reached the final goal. I meant sadhguru has reached the final goal of liberation then explored all the facets of consciouness (mystism) and then stopped meditating and now just serves humanity.

@Bojan V ? As long as conflict energy is gone im happy ? I'll give u a secret. If u read acim for a state of presence, it will pull you to a holy instant of love. Where conflict can't exist. That's the whole purpose of the book i think. Maybe u already knew that idk. Tcare ?

U are male or female? My name is (salvijus) means salvatore in italy. That's why it cought my attention ?

Tbh the question is about what makes different people to have different auras and energy about them. Not how their teaching style differes from each other. I think there arę very noticeable difference in those who practice energetic path and zen awareness path. A christian would have a totally different presence also. Mooji radiates a very powerful field of love all the time. I haven't seen such presence in other path people.

@ValiantSalvatore your name is salvatore? That's a beautiful name

@Bojan V thank u, i feel a whole lot better now

@Bojan V it's about time u applied the teachings of no condemnation and seeing everyone as sinless to help the Christ presence within us transmute these energies of conflict into love ?

@Bojan V im glad the channels of love are flowing again. A wondrous celebration for me to see anyone who's into acim. Amen ?

Even my apology sounds triggering lol

U should read acim. It's about how to enter a state of God's Love soberly. I think u were looking for it if i remember correctly.

My bad. There was a gentler more conscious way of having this conversation. Maybe then the outcome would've been different and wouldn't come out as too pushy. Sorry

@Spiral Wizard true. I lost myself a little bit.

That's just u trying to explain your resistence to him ? It's probably just the impurities and darkness in your mind speaking if i had to guess...

@Raptorsin7 i didn't try to convince u. I sayed im convinced from my experience with him. If i tried to convince u i'd say do his programs.

Sorry if i misunderstood something then.

Thank u ??

Everyone who gives u a taste of infinity is evil? I bet i could win this argument with eyes closed. ?

What about a chemical like 5meo? Samadhi happens when energy hits the peak. Energy transmittion is a real thing... The reason 5meo gives samadhi is because psychedelics unleash the kundalini energy. That's good. I would just say sloppy reaserch here. Im not very good at giving all the list of what he does to help humanity but it's huuuuuuuuge. Just mindblowingly huge guys... do some reaserch guys...