Salvijus

I follow what you're saying, yea, that was a good analogy.

I see, words can be confusing when different people use them in different ways. But I think i follow what you're saying. I'm gonna go to sleep 😴. 🙏 Sudiev.

It seems to me that you're saying: this nondual recognition will happen when the seeker is seen as an illusion. But don't you need awareness to have that insight? It seems like awareness is responsible for this revalation to happen in the end. My common logic says: no matter how deep the insight/revalation/recognition is, it has to be the awareness that makes that insight. How else could it be.

It seems to me, in order to have the insight that the I AM is an illusion, there needs to be a deeper awareness that makes that recognition. But it's still awareness. It's still the I AM. I wonder if that makes sense.

That's a really interesting quote. Yea I've missed that one. I don't know what to make of it atm. Let me ask a question tho, if you don't mind. If you became aware that I Am is an illusion, isn't that just deeper awareness? Aren't you still the one who is concious and having this insight?

Oh I see your logic now. I guess the common advaita counter argument would be "but who watches conciousness appearing and disappearing? Does that one appear and disappear?" Basically implying that there should be some primordial space that holds everything, even conciousness. Mmmm... I don't know what to make of it.

Mm... That's a strange one. Haven't you heard teachers say that the I am is a formless and infinite and that it's our true nature? It seems like becoming formless and infinite is the whole point of nonduality. Maybe you're exposed to different material idk. I've always heard I AM being described as enlightenment basicly.

I mean but it works, abiding in the I AM conciousness is what eventually brakes the egoic patterns of judgement and gets replaced with the I AM pattern. The I AM is a non judgemental energy and that energy needs to be embodied into every cell in the body until there is no egoic pattern left. It's not the person that is undoing the judgments. It's the I AM presence that is undoing the person.

Someone who would be capable of unconditional love for everyone is probably super rare. But it's definitely possible to undo judgement through prayer and forgiveness or meditation. Whenever we notice a judgment arise we can enter communion with the holy spirit and allow it to correct our perception. I experience that daily. Many people do. Each time our judgments get corrected it bridges the gap from seperation closer to nonduality. But it's still a long walk. Feels like an endless walk maybe, who knows. There's people pleasing that serves God. And there's people pleasing that serves the ego. The second one is obviously not cool but it's not easy to tell the difference I guess. This is where asking the question "what do I truly want" becomes important and listening to the answer that gently reveals inside your heart. Then the true heart's impulse (or the holy spirit) fills the mind with the most appropriate action to take at the given situation. This topic has so many nuances I feel.

If you have bias towards one race more than another, I think that falls under the catagory of racism. But then you have to admit that the whole world without exception is racists lol. Racism is just a dumb topic tbh.

Interesting thing is that if you were to accept her, you'd get closer to nonduality than ever before. That's the beauty of acim methadology. In fact, no amount of practice, meditation or nondual phylosophy will ever get someone to oneness unless they remove the walls of judgement that create the perception of seperation. How simple yet how much resistance at the same time.

What do you hope to achieve through that experience? Nondual experiences won't replace the need for the daily, balanced, concious, wise lifestyle, if your goal is to have a gracefilled, smooth, enjoyable life. Really those experiences are of no consequence whatsoever. "Total bs" is what I like to call them.

Thank you for sharing your story. I feel like I really needed to hear this. ❤️

@CoolDreamThanks well I guess you're right. I used to be into the art of non doing aswell. Gangaji used to be my favorite one. I think she's one of the few that has a solid understanding on it. Others in my view are just gaslighting people with nonduality lol. Acim and wom speaks on this subject aswell. So there's definitely value from it indeed. "To do anything involves the body. ²And if you recognize you need do nothing, you have withdrawn the body’s value from your mind. ³Here is the quick and open door through which you slip past centuries of effort, and escape from time. ⁴This is the way in which sin loses all attraction _right now._ ⁵For here is time denied, and past and future gone. ⁶Who needs do nothing has no need for time. ⁷To do nothing is to rest, and make a place within you where the activity of the body ceases to demand attention. ⁸Into this place the Holy Spirit comes, and there abides. ⁹He will remain when you forget, and the body’s activities return to occupy your conscious mind. Yet there will always be this place of rest to which you can return. ²And you will be more aware of this quiet center of the storm than all its raging activity. ³This quiet center, in which you do nothing, will remain with you, giving you rest in the midst of every busy doing on which you are sent. ⁴For from this center will you be directed how to use the body sinlessly. ⁵It is this center, from which the body is absent, that will keep it so in your awareness of it. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/225#7:1,7:2,7:3,7:4,7:5,7:6,7:7,7:8,7:9,8:1,8:2,8:3,8:4,8:5 | T-18.VII.7:1-9;8:1-5) "Well, I have read the Course in Miracles one time, and it didn’t seem to work — I’ll read it again. Oh, that didn’t work. Well, maybe I’ll go try this form of meditation. No, that didn’t work. Maybe I’ll try Buddhism. No, that didn’t work. I’ll try Christianity. No, that didn’t work. I’ll try drugs — that will do it! The very energy of seeking is the egoic energy. For only the ego can seek. Pure Spirit can only extend. And there is a huge difference!"

That's the expression of your personal self. You have to dig deeper, beyond the desires of the personal self lies the impulse of God itself. When you touch that desire with your awareness, then you have touched God himself. And it's a different state than detached witness awareness. It's full of glory and grandness (but not arrogance). Just the grandness of God that descend from the top of the crown to the rest of your body vibrating with joy and overwhelming love. It's a messianic conciousness. That's where true ability to manifest comes through and it comes no longer from the personal self but from the devine self that extends only the good, the holy and the beautiful. If it's Jesus that you're looking for, then you'll need a different approach. No one in nonduality circles know about this state. It's a completely different game.

I don't know why but I feel drawn to sharing some material over here. I descided to trust the voice and see what happens.

I probably couldn't do it either. But shamans were killing buffalos to eat. Maybe that will help.

That's one example but it goes way deeper. There are engrafters, familiar spirits, fetals, drujas, vampires, ashars, loo'is, your family ancestry, elementals, angelic legions, devas and deities of different ranking, both positive and negative, etc. It's a mess of things really. We are just a tiny life in a middle of nowhere. Maybe this will help to paint the picture: "Many mortals there are, who have their spirits so bound to the flesh that after death they linger in the places where they lived, knowing not that they are dead, obsessing their former homes, seeking to fulfill their unholy desires through the still living." (Oahspe, Book of Es, Chapter XVII) "The angels of darkness, being gross, seek the delights of the corporeal senses, and they fasten upon mortals who indulge in the same; and through them, they feed themselves, even as a vampire feedeth on blood."(Oahspe, Book of Judgment, Chapter IV) "Wherever mortals congregate for indulgence in lust, drunkenness, gluttony or gaming, there come spirits of darkness, taking delight in such scenes, inspiring the mortals to greater excesses."(Oahspe, Book of Judgement, Chapter VIII) "In time of war, the spirits of the battlefield gather in great numbers, becoming wild and crazed with the love of carnage; and they inspire mortals to deeds of horror and cruelty."(Oahspe, Book of Wars Against Jehovih, Chapter XXII) "And the spirits of the slain, being bound to the scene of the battle, know not that they are dead; and they inspire mortals who are yet alive to greater deeds of bloodshed, thinking thereby to regain their own corporeal bodies."(Oahspe, Book of Es, Chapter XVII) "The generals and captains of armies are obsessed with hosts of spirits who whisper to them plans of battle, strategies of death, and the boasts of conquest, until they are drunk with the madness of war." (Oahspe, Book of Wars Against Jehovih, Chapter XVIII) "And it came to pass that Sudga, a false God, whose kingdom was great in heaven, sent his hosts of dark spirits to possess the kings of the earth. And they stirred up wars and famine, and swarmed upon the people, causing them to worship idols and to sacrifice to false gods. The kings were made mad with pride, and their people were deluded to go to war, believing their god was with them." (Oahspe, Book of Wars Against Jehovih, Chapter XX) "In the time of Te-In, the land was filled with temples, and priests and priestesses went about calling the people to worship. But these temples were not built to the true God; they were built to the false Gods who inspired mortals to fight and destroy one another. The people were possessed with zeal, but it was the zeal of drujas, who whispered in their ears, saying: 'You fight for the glory of your God!' And the cities were filled with bloodshed."(Oahspe, Book of Lika, Chapter VI) "The false Gods sent their legions of spirits down to mortals, commanding them to build temples to their names, and to make sacrifices of flesh and blood. And the mortals were obsessed in great numbers, so that they could not resist, but built idol-houses and altars, and slew their fellow-men by tens of thousands, crying out: 'Thus saith the Lord!'" (Oahspe, Book of Wars Against Jehovih, Chapter XVI)

I approve of all religions aswell. Many of them played a big role in my development even. But at the end of the day there is something that I feel more connected to than anything else. And it's not so much of a choice but a recognition. It means nobody ever accomplishes anything alone and there is no such thing as being alone to begin with. We are always in some kind of company even if it's an invisible one. And this company exists on many layers of existence. Each of them have their own impact of who you are and what you do. Sometimes the company can be suppressing, sometimes uplifting. Whenever I look back at my life it always feels like His company was with me all the time. "Peace be unto you always. And never once let yourself think that you are alone. It is what they call — what is this word you have — “haberdash.” Hmm. What is this haberdash? That is an interesting term. It is nonsense for you to think that I’m not with you. You have asked. I picked up the phone. We are in communication. That is the way it is. That is the way it will be until the end of all illusion. (p51) Amen."

The lineage chooses you, not the other way around I believe. Before I realized what's happening, He was already hovering over me day and night. It's some kind of karmic connection I figure. Everyone has their own lineage where they belong to is what I was told, and honestly it makes sense to me. No path is for everyone. Your lineage is likely christianity aswell. It's quite easy to smell your own people.

^_ ^ It's an ancient christian connection I figure. She's deeper into Jesus even than I am, lol. (Which I thought was impossible.) It's nice to meet someone like that once in a while. God bless her.

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