Salvijus

@Something Funny yea that second scenario sounds better than the first one. But life is more complicated then that imo.

I don’t disagree with your statements that we are too cruel to the animals. I very much agree that we should reduce that.

@Something Funny look we need to wrap this up somehow, we can't continue like this forever. Let's just say the practicality of eliminating meat from the diet is still a debatable matter. Can we agree on that much and leave it at that? We are not going to solve this debate ourselves. It's too complicated and we are not scientists ourselves.

It's fair. You can have that opinion I don't mind.

Making pets vegetarian is over the line in my judgement and opinion. I don't know how you came to that reasoning that vegetarian pets are a real thing. You're welcome to believe that. I won't try to stop you.

I hope you enjoy it lol.

@Something Funny You probably missed my previous comment in a previous page.

One sniff from my dog at an enriched kibble and he will look at me like I'm an idiot lol.

It's not about the number of examples. It's about how far did they push the line over of sensibility with their ideology. And for me making pets becoming vegetarian is way over the line. Lab meat... That sounds like another utopian vegan fantasy. Before you know it some vegan will invent an astronaut costume where you can breathe your own air without killing the bacteria and drink your own urine with added vitamins to survive.

No it's just my common sense speaking that animals don't do well on synthetic food and veggies. I had a dog myself so I know. You're missing the point. It's not about converting people to veganism it's about questioning their philosophy on life. As many studies there are that it's possible to live without meat, there are just as many that say it's not practicable to live without meat without health consequences. I've been vegetarian, mostly vegan myself and I know the consequences on health it has first hand. It's just not practicable long term. Maybe for some people that have a specific body type and have very high quality food available (mostly it's gone these days) But definitely not everyone.

Not convinced those animals were in good shape. Biased research probably. These days with enough money you can do bs research and prove whatever you want

And what if at the end of the debate it turns out that it's true? That meat is indeed necessary for some people to be healthy? Plus consider the fact that not everyone has the same availability of food. Plus not everyone has the same body type. And not everyone has the same health issues. Then veganism the way it is being pushed right now becomes impractical.

They should stop force feeding their pets (cats and dogs) with veggies, that's for sure. They should stop seeing killing as some unjustifiable sin. Because you can't live without killing. And they should come to terms that humans are half carnivores. Meat is necessary for many to be healthy. The only thing vegans got right is that it's wise to avoid unnecessary killing and minimize the cruelty as much as possible. But they are pushing those ideals to impractical levels. Even to the point of trying to make pets vegetarian lol. Wtf.

It's not about feeding good. It's about showing the limitations of vegan philosophy and coming to terms with some harsh truths of reality

Maybe if Vegans did more philosophy aswell they would realize their utopian way of thinking doesn't exist and is not practicable. Partially practicable tho. There're some good things in their ways of thinking. But it needs improvement.