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There is a point where you have to completely disregard all you have learned. If you haven't experienced it, it doesn't exist and is a thought. It may seem scarier to go on this journey with no information but the more you learn, the more traps there are as Leo says.

There is no definite yes or no to this question. What are your motivations that are making you question the resourcefulness of drugs? What do you hope to accomplish with them, long term why do you want whichever specific drugs you are thinking about?

@StephenK I'm over here dying at "double-tumble"

@Andre You already said that it was not that which Leo described. I'm trying to understand what else it could be.

@Andre So was it a hallucination?

@Andre The voice is the thought. Internal dialogue.

Quantum computing and A.I. will change the world. The biggest difference from "them" to "us" is that they can be tought the very science (C.S.) that created them and can then take part in advancing their own states through scientific breakthrough. Singularity will be when everything just breaks.

@DizIzMikey Have you had a direct experience of the absence of free will?

There are three people on here that *I think* have either found out how not special it is or are very close to seeing it. You have communicated with them and even shot them down. It is very easy to disregard a username and text without a spiritual leader tag behind it (I have done the same so believe me when I say this is not to put you down). All it took was a kind reminder from a member of this group to help me see how I was disregarding some amazing advice because I wanted to play the spiritual knowledge regurgitation game and be above the advice the forum is here for. A lot of people here really are playing that game and I am still guilty of it too. Start contemplating the advice and you'll see who is getting it more than the rest.

@JevinR They are not the actual people or events themselves. Just thoughts that are associated with them. Accept the thoughts and be aware of them. They will pass on their own. When they come back they are still just thoughts so there is no reason to fight them.

Bumping. Read that Robert Spira quote a few times.

Hey guys. Do whatever it takes to convince yourself that you are not shooting for any spiritual work at all and not at all going for enlightenment. Just stay on track and do the work but not at all for any goal other than doing it. Remember that whie noticing everything there is nothing at all here at all to learn and that it beyond truthful. Litterly just look at everything around you. We fucking exist! Like honestly. This is the universe and there is just shit all over the fact that this is everything here.

@ranzo1 I apologize for the mix up due to my wording. What I wrote was not an attempt to push nihilism, but rather to reiterate that it does not matter what approach you take toward enlightenment because that turns the doing into a path to a goal. Everything that you see every day is a blessing in disguise so to speak. The labeling of objects takes away a shit ton from what it actually is. That's because we don't actually know what anything is besides the human name for it and whatever the object is in association to us. I have aways had a preference for trees throughout my life. What the heck is a tree actually though (Or anything). When what is known as a tree is labeled a tree, that is all it will be for people every time they see it. We pretend to know everything because we make up names for things and since we have seen said object in the past and we know the name, we must know something about it but when in reality we don't. To actually sit there and not know what anything is can be an eye opening experience . Edit: Wording and Grammer

@charlie2dogs @charlie2dogsIt doesn't matter why we do the work though. No expectations no disappointments.

@Khin What do you mean?

@Greer Response #7 was what I screened but the whole thread is pretty interesting. https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70807

*DO NOT USE DRUGS.* You can't prepare for it, you can't understand it, it's will show you that reality is more of a question. You will leave all you know and time doesn't exist. Have fun ?. I'll be lurking here but I have this screen shot from dmt-nexus that can hopefully lead you to some answers in regard to it aiding in the exploration of consciousness. Note how the author says that it is an aided non dual experience but it is not THE non dual experience. It won't be permanent but for a few days after you will be left in a state similar to what people describe as enlightened. Shoot for complete ego death and you'll have a true glimpse of what you without you is. You should (depending) be able to remain quite distant from your ego for a few days.

Currently I have been having the most gruesome time sitting down for even 20 minutes straight and sometimes cut my sit short. Everyday is feeling more like a struggle to clear my regular meditation time. I have been recognizing that whatever thoughts or feelings that come up will soon be gone as is their nature and that they are not me or my thoughts. Almost as if to mentally say these words and then let the experience of whatever is happening happen. But there has been a huge feeling of discontent that is breaking concentration and making 5 minutes feel like a lot more time has gone by. There is definitely a feeling of losing progress here that could be chalked up to my now busy schedule. I am just wondering if anyone has any experience with this and some advice as to how I can get myself to sit through this distraction

@PraxisBob It's somewhat common knowledge that monks can eventually go for hours at a time sitting without moving. I've never thought that they were simply comfortable for their version of my ego. Kind of shades a new light on "contentment". I have been associating that dedicated/blissful type of sitting as to a will of disassociation from the ego rather than a full embrace of it. I suppose that's the feeling of counterintuity of it all. As I sit there and try to let the thoughts be what they are and the feelings that correspond, I can see that I have been trying to accept them through this ever so small recognition of them. I have no idea how to surrender or let anything be without commenting. Maybe this is a start. Thank you.

@Saarah I can honestly say that slowing down will be a huge change and may make my my brain feel like it will blow up from trying to go fast but being denied. Thinking about it almost makes it seem in the same area of issues as meditation with the constant intense feeling of needing to do something else. Maybe I just have to breakthrough the feeling and let it keep going as it has been. Thank you.

@DizIzMikey I'll throw it in the playlist. Thank you sir.

I feel similar things as to what you are describing and others that aren't mentioned. Weird things happen but just let them be and keep being aware that anything at all ever thought about what that sensation was is a thought and not what it is. Also, don't search for feelings, those are just thoughts too (the notion of searching).

@Meave the experienice lasts outside of time. It doesn't become a thing anymore. Youll feel you were gone for an unreal amount of time but it is only the 10 min. Mine was 30 minutes but I fought it so to speak. I could make a podcast of the full thing if anyone is interested. Edit: @Emerald Wilkins I saw your YouTube videos they were very interesting!

It is the craziest thing that you can take. I thought that I would be fine due my use of other psychedelics but there is nothing even close to what DMT is.

@99th_monkey Was it an internal movement that wasn't really internal but shifted back to where it was when you said whoa?