Mal

@jes OK, check this out. And this might sound a bit woo-woo, but believe me I am not one for New Age stuff, but I've been having the vague insight that we actually manifest certain situations in order to deal with them. I'm not sure how much of this is my imagination or actual real experience, but I do actually get the sense I'm manifesting my own world. How does this resonate?

This is why we are all here on one level. When I see somebody else's problem it's because I found a part of me that resonates. It's easier to project our problem outwards and then re-integrate it while reading it back. I use this site like a journal to work on myself

@jes Well, when you begin to understand your own emotions you begin to understand everybody elses. You are developing your emotional intelligence and using projection in a healthy way to understand another person

@governor Hi, To be direct When you're done with it you will wake up. That's it really. In a nutshell. You have got to come to the end of the road with it. The therapeutic perspectives are true, they put you into deep suffering just so you can climb your way out again by your fingernails. That's the reality of it. You're on your own See you on the other side ... Mal

@jes It doesn't matter what they are doing. What matters is your response. Look at your response. How do you feel when they reject you? This will be the symptom manifesting itself. Underneath that is your authentic self. How you feel. I would like to spell it out for you, but it's better if you come to an understanding by yourself. Again, how is it that you feel bad around those who reject you?

Well, how do you feel about that? I mean, there is not much to learn except listen carefully to your own inner voice. Another way to approach it is you can look at life as it is now. How are you responding to situations and people now? Sometimes becoming aware of the obvious pattern in the "here and now" gives us insight into the past. Think of the triggers in your life. The things that make you upset. These can illuminate the past. Then once you have insight you can deal with the past in "the present moment". If you can rest in the present moment you can discern what is the past in you and how different it is to your actual experience.

@Light_Ray Hello, If you are serious about your tradition and want to understand how to practice "Integrated" yoga then take a look at the works of Sri Aurobindo. It's all there. This life is not Maya, but a perfect manifestation of the Divine.

Explore how that feels. Until you're done

Have you lost the plot? Who are you? In this life, physical body, history? You could be some deranged fantasist for all I know.

So only the people who buy your nonsense of non physical beings and such, have a true desire for growth? So those who don't buy your nonsense have no true desire for growth?

There we go. Another aspect of your imagination. That's how the ego works, projects it's own impulse onto a blank screen. Nobody mentioned a glory trip. I'm talking about your credentials as a teacher. I don't visit a bum on the street to get a quote for concreting my driveway. Who are you?

Ok, so who are you? I think people should know the background of "the teacher"? The teacher who claims that people don't need a tradition or path and should only listen to what he has to say, everyone else is wrong. This is nonsense. I don't mind looking bad, I've grown past the point of heeding the shaming tactics of other people

My critical assessment is you're not enlightened. It's no big deal. It's just what I see. Now, the issue is, why the super defensiveness and aggressive defining labels about me being a "deciever" etc? Just curious.

@charlie2dogs This is more of your imagination. I am not a teacher I'm not claiming anything. I'm here having a chat and helping people out while observing my own self in action. Yes, you're "the teacher". The teacher on an internet forum of 30 people, young people, picking up whoever you can to get your need to be a teacher met? Why are you here and not teaching in the real world? If you have the goodies that nobody else knows except a very few, where is your contribution to a wider audience than just 30 or so people? I'm not getting the logic in that. I'm sorry I'm not gullible. What can I say?

I'm out to decieve people by giving them credentialed experts to study? However, you're a random dude, on a forum of easy pickings, anonymous hiding behind an avatar trying to enlighten people, stripping them of their critical faculties, and praising them when they parrot exactly your words back to you? Have you lost the plot?

@charlie2dogs Neither are you

@Piotr Yes. And make a profit from the book sales!

@jes I would buy a Ferrari Am I allowed to say this here?

Yes. That happens a lot! People who try to be humble could be holding down the feelings of rage. This is why I said "it's coming to the surface". But rage is not natural either, there is something underlying even that. This is why refer to process like peeling layers of an onion.

@JevinR You think you are repressing humility and that's causing the symptom of grandiosity to express itself?

@jjer94 Thanks for your input. Very wise! In Zen there comes a point called dai - kensho (liberation) where the student realizes for themself that there is indeed no path. This "path" brought them to the realization there is no path, no master, no enlightenment and that they are on their own. However, another great attribute of Zen is that it brings the person through even that marginalising state of Absolute and back into the relative existence (full enlightenment/transmission). That's the beauty of a tradition, because it protects you by teaching you there is a lot more to enlightenment than realising true nature (the "dogma" of true nature) There is also the other practice's I recommend, shadow, psychotherapy, ego development to turquoise stage which are not Buddhist but deal with other aspects of the psyche. States tend to repress and structures tend to include. This is why there is much more to Enlightenment than self-realization. I apologise to you for not putting my entire recommended system into my previous message. There is a distinct difference between messy eclecticism and being serious about ones development. Thanks for your contribution, seems you're learning something by being here.

@Teags OK, However I recommend you find a facilitator in this method so they can take you forward with it in the future. Mal

Hi, Thank you for pointing this out! This is really important. Enlightenment wise: Wherever sheep congregate, there is always a wolf lurking nearby. This material that Leo presents here is a starting point, it's not an authentic spiritual path. There are also a couple of people here who can create quickie experiences. However, if anybody is serious about it then they better follow a path within an authentic tradition. If they don't then anything that happens here just won't stick. That's really the crux of it in my opinion. Forums are places for swapping ideas, learning the art of conversation, perhaps learning how to online coach and motivate? Nobody ever became enlightened on an internet forum.