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Can you confirm what ego is please Charlie? I was under the impression that it was the aspect of mind that feels like it is in control. But that there is a human consciousness and it works fine without a controller. But I've been listening to what you have been sharing with us all and i am now thinking that "ego" is something far more sinister than a mere controller When you say ego is programming I'm taking this to mean the whole enchilada, the whole of human consciousness, not just the controller or the aspect that imagines it has free will over its experience. For me as I contemplate programming I actually sense that ALL human interaction is programming. But not to throw the baby out with the bathwater here, there is a way of being human that doesn't require the programming at all. The "Divine" human, on a path of purification from the lies and toward a sense of authenticity. You say the human identity is an expression of consciousness in this physical realm. The more I identify with consciousness the "cleaner" I feel, but at the same time I know deep down there is no need to rid myself of a self, just let consciousness transform the expression into a Divine human identity. This is not an intellectual understanding, but a real understanding of my work contemplating what you are saying.

Thanks. You too

@Pallero Ive said it before and I'll say it again. The self help industry is a scam.

Mmmm... At this point I'm beginning to wonder if "perspectives" "goals" "interpretations" and "responses" are also part of the lie? I doubt I would have heard of a perspective had I not been conditioned to see one?

@7thLetter Also, I have absolutely no doubt the pickup material will be installing narcissistic ideas into your head. Listen to how they refer to others and the contempt for people they have. It's not healthy

@7thLetter I don't know exactly what you are speaking of because you haven't disclosed much. But you can avoid people for two reasons: The first reason is that through observation you have learned that they bring toxicity and judgement into your life. These people are to be avoided. That's healthy. I'm polite to them if I'm forced to work with them or be in close proximity, but that is as far as it goes. The second reason for avoiding people is we make people in general "wrong". Studying self development concepts can have a brainwashing effect rather than an enlightening effect. It's upto you to decide what you're getting from this "work"? If it's making you more of a recluse then it might be working against you. Being with people doesn't mean getting involved in drama or gossip, if we can operate from a place of real non detatchment we can embrace the situation while steering the interactions to genuinely fun places and bring more happiness to the conversation. This might be a phase, you might be acting out some pain by not saying hi to people, and if they are getting upset then contemplate what it is you are communicating to them at the moment. You are not culpable because you can't see it right now, but if this is a pattern of pain you're acting out, if and when you do see it, that is a transcendance and healing point. That's a true time of non detachment.

@John I think Tolle the night of his transformation was really willing to die. He had enough. Maybe he discovered that one not need actually die in order to discover the peace a suicidal person is looking for? I had an experience like this myself, where I just let the identity die because I saw that it actually did nothing for me, only caused me problems. It was short lived though, and not a lasting thing, but I got a glimpse of what it means to awaken: Pain happens, but there is nobody there to suffer.

@Yukise99 Awaken to the truth of who you are first. And then spend time contemplating your beliefs, where they came from, if they make sense, are they serving you, do you want them? Books can be helpful, but ultimately they get in the way because all we do with that information is put another layer of programming on top of the old unexamined programming, thus further complicating life.

I thought about this for a while, and discovered that it would be impossible for me, or any human being to understand what this means. Even non-dualistic thought cannot comprehend what you are pointing to. This is literally beyond the capacity for any human brain to think about. The only thing I can fathom is that consciousness is not merely located in the brain, it's everywhere?

@Philip @charlie2dogs I want to highlight a reply Charlie made to @Philip's post here: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/4945-20-years-of-repressed-emotions-finally-bursting-out-any-advice/?do=findComment&comment=44750 Here is Charlie's recommendation which I have personally field tested. The more I engage in this process of becoming one with my core, the more I'm becoming convinced that this whole process need not take as long as we are currently led to believe. I urge you all to take 30 minutes of your day just to try this out, and then report back what you discover, in my opinion there is nothing else like it: "Philip, i feel your pain, you have become so attached to the pain body, with all these repressed emotions that they are now choking the life out of you. you need to step back from your human body and take a good look at it, this human identity that is philip, is not the real being in this drama and all this drama is being created by the human identity and ego. if you are able to take that step back and look at the identity body, and realize that the real part of you is the one doing the seeing of this, you will discover there is no pain there, no drama there, no conflict there, it is a place of peace, the drama is in the identity body that you are playing the part of. look at all the drama, repressed emotions and feeling closely, look at what they are doing to you, and ask yourself what am i doing holding on to all of this when the real me is not this physical body and i dont have to exist as a victim of these things, see this, contemplate it, and if you can experience the real part of you, this other stuff will begin to dissolve and flow away from you, you will actually just drop it and see yourself as you really are and not the one suffering. at that point the pain in the physical body will begin to dissolve, what is manifest in the flesh was created in consciousness before it was manifest in the flesh, so now we have to return to consciousness to begin a cleansing process with will begin to heal the human body."

Thank you

I'm pleased for you bro. Thank you for taking the time to write a reply about your experience. And of course, keep it up.

@charlie2dogs Thanks Charlie. And I want to say that your message here has been consistent from the first post. Thanks for this!!

@cirkussmile The secret is you need to be generating 3x your salary as gross profit for the company. If you can justify it you will get the goodies. A good employer will pay out rather than loose you. If you are generating that amount of business and more, if your employer won't budge then leave because the company is a cowboy outfit. Always work for people who will look after you as an asset. If you need advice then pm me

What is wrong with being exposed as having a spiritual ego? I have one, everyone here has one. If you were awake for 14 months I think by now you could see the humour in this? Because you have dropped your ego, right?

Why do you think this is about my spiritual ego? I'm using you as an example of one, so I can see it in myself. Others who are serious about enlightenment will be benefit from this too

OK. I just needed to know for myself.

I'm not strengthening ego. I'm getting closer to something that I did not even know was possible. I keep having to explain myself to everyone, ignore me, block me, don't listen to me. Or do. I personally couldn't care about what other people do with my words, it seems people twist my words anyway. All I care about is this process, and the continuity is important. I'm not here to play games, or part take in human bonding, I am here to do away with that because it is false. How can I continue to play these social games and at the same time strip myself of programming? Its a paradox! Tell me if I should tip toe around egos, or be myself?

It not that, it's just that I cannot help but talk about this stuff. I don't think I'm playing a game, I actually feel as if I'm shedding layers of nonsense while I'm here. This is why I do it.

@jjer94 I guess I'm trying to point to spiritual ego's who are playing the game of spiritual guru. Something that I've been advised to watch out for. What else can I do but voice my concerns?

I didnt get upset at that. I got upset because today it clicked what enlightenment is. So in my eyes I wanted to find out if you were a self proclaimed realizer, and because you gave me that answer about enlightenment meaning different things I pulled up a post where you admit that you are not enlightened. The fact is, you don't actually know what you're talking about really. So why all the nonsense and posts on how to be awakened and asserting that "enlightenment" is the pathless path? I'm not stupid.

I agree

I think you hold resentment because I told you not to approach me on the forum after spilling your truth about me in a private message. The reason I told you to stay away is because you cannot help me. Nothing more, no need to make it into a vendetta. If you want to play the civil game go for it, but you must also realize you will define me also by those standards. Let me tell you AGAIN what I am doing here. I am working on myself, recording my words so I can look at myself in all my glory. Im not here to make friends with you or accept therapy sessions about my "behaviour" in your eyes. There are only three people on here who can help me, and one of them is not you. I'm sorry that you could not bring me to your "Wilkins standard" senses, I am only here for self observation and to expose myself to real sources of help.

You do realize that you have a spiritual ego when you advise people on accepting themselves while at the same time blow up at people who you think exhibit the traits you clearly hate about yourself? You know this is hypocrisy, right?