Mal

@Mal Dont play mind games with me. I'm more than passive aggressive, I'm openly aggressive, especailly to fuck wits who try to use concepts they know nothing of to shame me or others for their own screw ups. If you think I'm some kind of passive new age type who will take being walked over or had a problem with conflict, think again. Here is the tread where your nightclub drunken asshole behaviour got the better of you. You've already been suspended from here for posting nonsense. I will happily hound your ass to get you banned from this site if you pull any more disrespect.

Perhaps. Or how about we do a little shadow work and I'll suggest you didn't grasp when your "humour" was unwelcome and an inappropriate response to certain requests being made of you, or questions being asked of you? How bout you take responsibility off of me for YOUR lack of social graces, and take 100% responsibility for your issues it instead? That's "self awareness" in a nugget sized nutshell that I think somebody like you would be able to handle.

@jes It's OK. Maybe you thought my answer was short? You can still ask a question if you feel like it. If not that's fine too. Hope the insights come

@Emerald Wilkins Im not sure where you guys get your information from. People at my stage of development get angry, feel superior, and do all the normal things everybody else does. The difference isn't awareness, its complexity. I genuinely don't like smutty offensive behaviour, not because I'm a prude, but because there are other things in the grand scheme of things to consider, and shallow self expression on a forum where people can sometimes be trying to open up, there shame here etc, can be difficult if they feel threatened. It's about responsibility. Yes, limbic resonance. That's the words I use because I hand out in Integral forums too and that's the language we use. I was illustrating while I'm in a place of hardly any ego manifesting that there is still feelings based on my ego development and they get triggered. No self doesn't mean no feelings. The way you have made meaning from this event is the degree to which you are developed. The meaning making I make from this event you will not understand because you simply have not done the work, and your meaning making conveys that. This is not my fault, this is just the way it is. I can't really say much more to you guys because I know now you're just going to process what you are able to according to your own minds. But, I'll ask again, can you calm down with the childish excessive profanity and nonsense about taking a dump please, because it might appeal to twenty somethings who have found their spiritual mentors on youtube, but it doesn't appeal to everybody. We ideally want more people here sharing their issues rather than flaunting them and pretending they have some kind of awareness or handle over their bullshit. Thanks

@Heart of Space You have no idea what youre talking about

@jes OK. What?

@jes What do you mean?

@jes I'm sure if you let the mood be and stop making a story about some shit, then the feelings will pass? I'm not sure why there has to be some kind of identity attached to everything one does. It's utter nonsense

Fair enough

@Emerald Wilkins But you said nobody, then you made nobody into something. The thoughts and blind spots are fine. What else is there except thoughts and blind spots just happening?

I'm not sure who is doing the running?

I didn't answer. Answering just happened

What is the problem with being judgemental? There is nobody to judge, there is just judgement happening. All teachers who tell you that you need to do something are charlatans who keep the character in the dream fixated in the dream. But don't worry about them, it seems you are doing a fine job of that yourself. So, no teacher required I don't officially decide who is a fraud, because there is no me deciding anything. The words are just happening. I know this might appear to be a problem for you, but as long as you are an identity you will project other identities into people where there are actually no identities present. The original teaching is: there is no original teaching. A teaching would imply that there is somebody there to be taught and brought out of the dream. Inside the dream, you have all the teachings of the world at your disposal. Pick as many as you want and study. Keep at it!

@jes I'm good thanks How are you? I use edible bentonite clay mixed with a fiber supplement from 'now foods'.

It's ok. You can be rude in this context. If you want to inquire then I'm happy to help

No. Until you have show other people that you consider at least their emotional well-being above your own need to express you comedic value, and sincerely then as far as I'm concerned you are not into growth, but here for your own jollies. That's the baseline requirement for me, green and above, or at least a little bit of respect. Red are not invited to my party. The anger is completely appropriate limbic resonance informing me of somebody who is not to be dealt with. You want to play ego games, I have no issues with that. You reap what you sow. People are not here in this life to bear the brunt of your fucking shit. Sort it out

You can only say these things when you have transcended words altogether. Until then, they are your pathetic ego defense mechanism to avoid losing face. You are clearly not interested in personal growth, just talking shit making smut and insulting people here who come here to share deep personal issues. Until you can consider them rather than your fucked up ridiculous "humour" then to me you are not worth sharing any "words" with, never mind wisdom.

I'm not enlightened. Enlightenment doesn't exist. You understand nothing, if you believe enlightenment exists, that's all I need to register your ignorance scale. Some people might find your jokes fun. I don't. I happen to understand through personal experience that they are symptoms of a deeper narcissism. Can you conceive that there are people out there who used to exhibit such behaviours themselves, and then woke up to the fact that these behaviours represent symptoms of a very sick self concept? This is not a shaming contest. But if you feel like taking my ego on then you will have to face some harsh realities.

I could riff off this all day. You're into meditation right? How about Buddhist walking meditation? Try it. If one does it properly, there is the realization that whatever happened "I" decided it was the last thing in the stream of events. The "I" is controlled by the bodymind. Most people are identified with the "I" that thinks it is in charge of the body mind. This is why the "I" is a problem. The spiritual community is a group of mis-informed people attempting to create "high consciounsess" values based on their religious upbringing. Spirituality is nothing more than "what is happening". The benefits of "no-self" have been turned into another dogma, where people mistake the benefits as the goal, instead of focusing on the original teaching. So we have created a big moralistic monster in the process. As charlie says: New Ageism. We need to be careful who we listen to, because most of the teachers out there are pretenders who know nothing of what this original teaching is. The "I" is not evil, it can manifest as suffering, but in itself the "I" is nothing - a subtle effort. Residing in the "I" CREATES delusion. we don't even have to remove the "I", that's the "I" trying to remove itself. The is nothing to be done.

Yes. Interacting with humans is a pleasure. Tip toeing around ego's is't. Don't confuse high development with having no feelings. Highly developed ego's are respectful of other systems. But even upon awakening there is still a bodymind organism that registers trauma, and responds appropriately. I don't see you are a "reptile". I've never said these words to you, or implied that you are an "idiot". You seem to have a high IQ. But your words are an indication to me of how you fear that the monster could actually be you - although you might not want to admit it yet. Objectively minded rational people don't assume such things - aka assume that others are 'thinking their own thoughts'. This "objective" quality you seek in others as you test them with anti-social behaviours and smutty remarks is what you seem to long to develop in yourself, if it were not the case that the internal "idiot reptile" were holding you back. Why do you imagine that people are not going to take offense to some of the things you say and do? Even if they do, it's not as big a deal as you're making it. This is life, even animals who don't have an egoic mind come into conflict now and again. I had to develop myself to the point of being socially minded, I don't see how you can say I'm being unsocial by commenting about dualistic words on your thread while you are blatantly socially underdeveloped? This makes no logical sense, even for me who is transcending logic. You are correct, I don't know your intentions, alas I can only see what I see. But development unfolds in stages, and we have all been there at the terrible twos, it's just some of us get stuck there emotionally and behaviourally.

Just because somebody has insight to dualistic language does not mean they are out of the dream of dualism. There is an "I" it's just whether one is identified as the I. If one is identified with the I they use patterns of speech related to dualism. My speech is very basic because there is no me doing anything. I even find it funny trying to correct the spelling..

@Heart of Space This has got nothing to do with self awareness.

Yes..This is true, if a person lives in the dualistic world of I you we it etc are true. But "my" actual intent was to try to appeal to something else than the identity. The human identity does not know this and will see it through the victim world of duality. Victims create others victims with their rules and terms of engagement. This is why most people are not awakened, because of the matrix of polite society. So, no you have no idea what I'm doing, as you are a victim inside a social matrix siding with somebody who stroked your ego the right way, while at the same time your shadow side insults and puts down others who don't live upto your expectations. This kind of work is above your head. But emerald might be open to it. Let's see.

What matters is not expressing anything, mindfulness is about seeing that there is nothing doing the talking -that it's just happening.. The great misconception about all this is that there is something there to improve itself. There isn't!