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I think Trump would totally go with it if he thought he had enough support. The military may be closer to him, but this is too much, it won't happen. It's so obvious Biden has won cleanly, Trump's claims of fraud are baseless and ridiculous. Biden is not that much a revolutionary figure either, if it was Sanders, we could be more worried.

Well, the world is complicated and every country has its own complications. Most countries have sub countries inside of them, others are ex-colonies and others don't have international recognition as countries and are even divided by ones that have, like Kurdistan, for example, but I can give you a hundred more in every continent, except Antarctica. There may be a democracy now, meaning the view of the majority from Irak will be reflected in the government, which is very possibly not that far from the views Saddam Hussein already had, you cannot force a society to evolve overnight. The war caused thousands of victims, a war that was decided from the outside and those people are not going to come back to life. It wasn't done for the good of the people there, that's extremely naive, it was done for economical and geopolitical reasons that would benefit those who decided to go with it.

This has been a huge win towards a more conscious politics, not only for the USA, but also globally for the position and influence this country has in the world scale. You've fired Donald Trump and sent him and his supporters a message, that's not how you rule in a country that aims to lead the world, at least in the XXI century. Congrats to women for the first female vice president elect, it must mean a lot. Considering Biden's age, Kamala Harris may have to present herself on 2024, wait for it. Biden is not going to implement a lot of the policies many of us would like, and yet his election was the right one, the alternative was Trump. We can learn a lot from the last four years, it was painful, but not in vain. Biden will have to deal with a bunch of crazy MAGAs and it may get ugly with the COVID situation. But remember that Trump has shown his true colors last five days, he's not willing to accept democracy, which makes him an aspiring dictator, although he wouldn't call it like that, he would just declare the mailing votes ilegal and say he won, if he could. Aspirations that won't happen, as he won't have the support to fulfil them. It was a pleasure, see you next time!

Tim Pool After Biden Won: "We always knew this was going to happen." That's a real quote, btw. I forgot where the clip was, though. I remember people telling on this forum that Trump was going to win for sure, that we couldn't see it because we lived in our own information bubble. Man, that's exactly where they were, and unconsciously projecting it into others. They will deny it of course, like this guy that always knew Biden was going to win. MAGAs melting down and their compilations all over social media, receiving a bit of four years later Karma. Trump is the loser now, the worst kind of one, he can't accept it. What a difference with John McCain or any other candidate that ever lost, including Hillary. He couldn't leave honorably, it's not a surprisse.

Anyone who voted for this should be proud.

It is, the images below are from the anniversary of the death of the Spanish fascist dictator Franco in 2016. Spaniard fascists simpathize with Trump, surprise, as it's quite obvious for their signs. The ultra right political party in Spain got 15% in the general elections last year, awful. Image taken from the documentary The silence of others (2019)

Rudy Giuliani is presenting his witnesses live. A woman that "felt the fraud". I'm not kidding. lol

Oh, he really tweeted this? I'm gonna get some popcorn. ???

How cool, this is the moment! Checked NYTimes and Huffpost, classics. One says 273 the other 284 for Biden, AKA Sleepy Joe.

Paula White, amazing!

My prediction was that it was going to be very even and that Trump would win. I was right about the first part, but I'm very glad I was wrong about the winner. Trump has been beaten by Sleepy Joe, eat that, Trumpists! Looking at the vote numbers, Trump has had more votes than in 2016. I feared this, most people who voted for him before, have voted for him again, and even more in this polarized scenario. People prefer to stick with whatever they have done before admitting they were wrong, it's a self-defense mechanism. The lower in the spiral dynamics model, the more difficult to admit an error, they prefer to double down. I'm not that afraid of Trumpism in the medium term, he is still going to be an annoying figure for a while, but that's all. There's no one like him to take the place in the Republican party as far as I know. Society is evolving as well, so it will be more difficult that someone like him gets to power again. So why did Trump lose? Well, after four years of his bullshit, the opposition for him as awaken. In 2016 we had not seen him in charge yet and it was taken for granted that he would lose, not only by Hilary but the people in general, huge mistake. Biden sure has his base, but a lot of his votes have come from people who just dislike Trump and wanted him out of office. Totally legit reason to vote, thank god it happened. Trump has confirmed our worst fears, he is trying to stay in power even after losing the election. But seems to me more and more people will leave his boat and it will be fast. He's behaving antidemocratically. There's no way he can sustain why he wanted to stop the count in places he was leading and keep it in places he was not. It's just admitting he doesn't accept democracy, what people vote. Not even Fox News could go with that. He still has those inconditionals and followers in denial, those insisting the truth of fraud will come out. I checked Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro, they are there, and we have some examples on this thread as well, one is very obvious. But it won't, counting votes takes time, remember that other states have not finished counting either, the only thing is that there are four where the result is being very even for both. The system can and should be improved, but claims about fraud are baseless. So let's see how the next years go. Biden has room to amend some of the horrible policies and manners his predecessor has been implementing. I won't lie, I won't expect much from him. He seems blue - orange to me, with some sparks of green. But that's much better than an incendiary red narcissist like Trump. Glad he's done.

Hate speech is a problem, indeed. There are vulnerable people in society, like minorities that can never obtain political power to set the rules, for example, native Americans. Women, who have had less power than men through all history. LGTB people, who have dealt and deal with systemic hatred and offensive treatment. Inmigrants, which can be vulnerable economically and legally. Poor people, from any race. Blacks, slavery history, not that far from now. Children or elderly people, for obvious reasons. When hate speech goes towards any of these more vulnerable people, we've historical evidence that this can become dangerous for their integrity, and the harm can come from the institutions or from other people. As societies, we can aim for a more secure situation for all. Sometimes some people may need to be defended from the harassment of others, mostly when it's repeated or systemic. Where is the line where we should intervine or not? Difficult to say. As an example, it used to be normal to say hitting your wife is fine, should we allow that speech now, to someone that really believes it? Well, I thihnk at this point we've agreed to censor those speeches that directly look to harm any person or community. What about saying someone or a whole community is inferior? Is that fine? I don't think so, we gotto protect ourselves from ourselves as a community. I'm just rambling.

Okay, I'll put you in context. There's been a troll creating multiple accounts on this thread the last days, including this. So anyone appearing with a new account would seem to be him again. Don't take it personally. I was pro Bernie too, it sucked when he lost. But he's been an example, he's been campaining for the Democrat candidate against Trump, like he said he would, understanding he was a menace to democracy. Man, he was so right, warned about what Trump would do in the scenario of a tight election, he nailed it. He's way more talented than Biden, but it wasn't possible.

Trump is asking to stop counting votes in a democracy, it's happening now, but some guys here putting the focus anywhere else, like look how the other side is corrupt as well, look what Obama did or what Hillary said, of course, blaming how biased others are. Look guys, it sucks when the one you like doesn't win, or the one that you dislike wins. But if you want to set the precedent of not counting votes, candidates not conceding when losing, that goes against the most fundamental principals of democracy. There's something awful going on now and Trump is the responsible. Biden has not said anything out of tone since the election, that's the truth. Swallow your own bias for once and acknoledge what's happening, instead of gaslighting towards other topics. People have voted, votes have to be counted, then we see who leads for the next 4 years. Spoilers: Biden.

I don't know, man. The deer really made a huge mess in his way in and out!!

Let him moan, he's done. No way he's getting elected in 2024 after what he's doing and he'll be too old to run.

This is quite a black or white set out. One thing or the other. Things are more complicated. In the case of Charlie Hebdo, there is a cultural clash. in Western culture, it's normal and accepted those kinds of satire comics where everything can be made fun of. For religious people, particularly the ones that are not that familiar with the western culture, it's an offense to their identity. Should this mockes be ilegal? I don't think so, it is a freedom of speech matter, and the context of a satire comic magazine should be understood as what it is. The prohibition to depict their prophet is for Muslims, the rest of the world that aren't, don't need to follow that rule, but the problem is that the most closeminded believers there's only one truth, theirs, so they can't accept that this prohibition isn't universal. They can't even mentally process this. There are also security reasons to consider, we live in a global world now and there's been militar hostility towards the Middle East from the West and terrorist attacks the other way around. So what do we do? It's complicated. We are in this world together, yes, the Middle East is more undeveloped and they can act with stage red violence easily. The West has been making warzones on these areas for decades and those radicals have received training, technology and weapons from the West. The more developed part should accept a bigger burden and try to put some consciousness into these matters. Putting a fine to this old woman is not right. Yeah, calling savages to other cultures is good old fashioned racism or xenophobia, but she doesn't know better and there are other ways to confront what she did.

Republicans, depending on who's leading. Lovely!

@7thLetter I agree the crisis is huge whoever becomes president. But, again, benefiting the elites even more is not what is going to get us out from it, it's basically the opposite. To reactivate the economy, inequality must be addressed. That doesn't mean everyone must be rich, but it means that poverty has to be minimized. The rich has to be taxed more, that's just a must if you want to make the economy grow. The biggest corporations may be so powerful that they can even threaten and blackmail by playing with prizes to some extent like you say, but that's why citizens are supposed to have an institituion elected by them, the government, to mediate bettwen them and those extremelly powerfull entities. To tell them when they are violating the basic rights of people with their practices, when the society cannot afford those levels of inequality or that on a medical crisis like this we can't squeeze average people more, because they barely make it to pay their basic needs, so we can only turn for money to those who have most. A government should have that role, but that is not the case, what they do is approve laws dictated by corporations, no surprise the rich are getting richer, and more people face poverty or its edge. Lobbying the government by corporations should stop, men and women voted to be in charge are there to serve the citizens. Corporations must not pay polititians, they just gotta pay their fair share of taxes. There is a place for big corporations and there's nothing ilegal about making money and wanting to make more, after they pay their taxes first and their practices are accounted as legal. Biden will concede less than Trump to corporations. But this election wasn't about that at all, I don't think Biden would have won for being slightly fairer. That couldn't move so many greens to vote, not after they've tasted a bit of what Sanders was proposing. But after they've seen the real face of Trump and perhaps regretting not having voted against him in 2016. The vote for Biden was a vote against Trump.

If you allow him, set some rules, like always homework first or time limits. You can be flexible sometimes. Outdoor activities and interactions should be encouraged as well. Also, check how it affects him, any positive result, as his social life is richer, or negative, like being more aggressive or addiction patterns. Based on that, you act. And be part of it, ask him about his avatar or character, how he feels when he plays, how his game went, who is he playing with. Check yourself how the videogame is, observe him playing and ask him, what's this, what's that, who's that, what a nice creature, what an ugly creature, whatever.

@7thLetter First of all, right now we are seeing how Trump is not willing to count votes, making baseless claims about fraud. Consider if that behavior, from him or any polititian running, is beneficial for peace in a country, and its economy as a result, as that seems your main focus. Second, what you learned today is wrong. Raising taxes to the richest does not produce those apocaliptic results you listed, this is the narrative that sometimes direclty and sometimes more subtly the media funded or owned by those rich elites tell everyone, so we believe them keeping more money is good for the economy, bullshit. If that's so, let's the average people fundraise and give the money to the rich. The contrary is true, taxing the richest, who can afford it because they are still going to continue living very well, will permit the government to create a better welfare for all, even create jobs directly, which will create more jobs indirectly, because those with jobs and their families will have the purchasing power to make the businesses around them work, which will create even more families with higher purchasing power. We would have to address how basic needs as medical treatments or having a roof over your head can be facilitated because make no mistake, there are already heavy regulations marking how these matters work, lobbied by corporate interests to remain as they are, which are extremely costly for the average people, sometimes impossible to afford. This could be totally addressed by taxing the richest reasonably and making better regulations. Or maybe we can tax the homeless, taking their coins from their hats, then we give it to the rich people so they make the economy run right. Edit: I wish Biden would address the economy better, but he's not going to be that far from Trump, he'll still be devoted to corporate interests mostly, probably slightly less. The one with a decent list of policies was Sanders, like taking the student debt away, another measure directly benefiting the purchasing power of average people. But the election was between Trump and Biden now, so Biden is the right choice by a huge margin, Trump is an incendiary, crazy and authoritarian narcissist, that doesn't even respect the most basic democratic principle. If you are voted, you rule, if not, you get out.

Then count, count!

Stop counting, counting is fraud!

Can I go to the church on Sunday and start shouting my own speepch with a megaphone while the priest says his prayers and Bible stuff? It's more important my freedom of speech, of course, so the feelings of the priest and his believers don't matter and I am entitled to make my show. Can I take a megaphon and start shouting my speech in the middle of the night in the street? If you oppose these, you are against freedom of speech.

So it seems we are getting there, Biden can win this, by a small margin, but enough to send the clown away from power. I'm not declaring victory, but seems that the final count, considering what's left and from where, should favour Biden. Republicans being so nervous and declaring fraud is very significant as well, they expect to lose once those votes are counted, so they are messing around. As Leo said, Trump made a huge mistake by declaring victory and fraud so soon, how can a democratic candidate explain he wanted to stop counting the votes? How can his supporters defend this? I understand you want your candidate to win, but he's talking directly about not counting votes, wtf! In my country it's not uncommon one or two seats of the parlament changing once they count the mail votes, which can happen some hours later or even next day. Every political party and citizens accept this as part of the election game. How could we not? Trump is crazy and so are most Trumpists.