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What you think or I think does not matter, the truth is those men are dying in vain. This madness needs to stop.

What's wrong with you, man? You asked me if I was a socialist, and I told you I'm a social democrat. Then you didn't answer me the same question I asked you. You don't even know what the other people's ideas in this thread are, but you refer to all as Socialists in the plural. By the way, there is another thread in this forum which title says it's the leftists perpetuating the deaths of this war by supporting Zelensky, unlike Trump and the rightists who apparently don't do. So what is it, guys? Make up your minds about the leftists. The war is coming to an end and Zelensky has been left out of the conversations, probably at petition of Putin. Zelensky is done, he may not go to his Miami mansion in the end.

Yeah, kind of a social-democrat, I would say. Are you a socialist?

Yeah sure, what a surprise, the Western media apparatus not believing the elections where their puppets don't win. Putin won because he confronted an external hostile coalition against Russia, and is winning the war against Ukraine.

No, I believe your fake ones.

Is @Bobby_2021 permanently banned? He's been gone for a while.

The Russian elections had almost 80% turnout, of which almost 90% supported him. His support is overwhelming, and they voted based on this issue, which is the most important right now. Zelensky can ratify the support he has when he is ready, who by the way has banned a considerable number of political parties. Ukraine is a de facto fascist country that doesn't even hold elections and persecutes anyone who opposes the war. His tyranny will end as soon as the Western flow stops. He'll probably escape to London or Miami, where he owns extremely expensive homes, that's my prediction, but we'll see.

Putin just won the elections overwhelmingly, in the middle of the war, which clearly ratifies its policies by the people, and this is the most important issue for the country at this moment, so they voted about it. He has the popular support, and the military and economic capability to continue easily longer than it's rival, which is why it will win the attrition war.

No, I'm talking about the reality of the war. You are talking about expectations that there are no signs they are going to come to reality, if they do, I will grant it to you, and Ukraine will recover all its territory including Crimea. It's not happening.

Man, you're going sideways in the conversation, to who knows where. If Ukraine can win this war, that's what will happen. If Russia can win this war, that's what will happen. The second is truth, it's a matter of observation.

No, he is not surrounded by people who would kill him, he has certainly a very well-paid security apparatus surrounding him 24-7. He kicks out any opposing voice to this war, he is a de facto dictator. He is corrupt to the bone for the money that's coming from the West to finance this war, and all around him are as dirty as him as well. A part of the population is with him, the most Nazi nationalist ones, those are the ones that get to the top. Common people are trapped in this madness, it has to stop.

You can only defend an impossible position with hypotheticals and imposed limitations. What you gotta do is read the reality and observe the trends. Ukraine has zero chance of winning this war, all they are doing is dying in vain. Which is why it seems it's coming to an end finally.

Because he holds the power, he controls the military apparatus, the money that's getting in, and kicks out any opposing voice. Common people can't fight against that. The question is, if he has such a huge popular support, why doesn't he ratify it in elections he is already supposed to hold in what is now an expired term. Because he would lose them, people don't want to die to fight for an Eastern territory that they know it's gone for good. He won't ask because he knows the answer.

Some are rightwing nationalist nazis, those are on the second fronts. Some reacted against Russia when the invasion started, like it's normal, most are now trapped in an impossible situation, they try to escape, dessert, or surrender. Ukraine is a de facto fascist regime that persecutes any dissidence to this nonsensical war. The morale is under the ground. What you gotta stop your thinking based on your wishes instead of the reality. The evidence is overwhelming, Russia is winning on the battlefield and advancing faster, there's no way Ukraine can reclaim what it lost, Russia has the support of its people, and it restructured its economy to its BRICS partners successfully. This is done, the longer it gets, the worse for Ukraine.

Yes, seems the war will be over soon, this is unsustainable. If the Trump cabinet keeps flushing money, it will take longer, the outcome will only be worse for Ukraine. Zelensky is an unintelligent puppet playing the role of his life, filling his endless money sack from what the West is sending there, and like him a lot more in his cabinet. Even being a puppet, at some point he should have stepped up for the people in his country, and tell the West enough is enough, end this madness, and sign a peace accord with his bigger neighbor for good. He has probably part of his brain damaged for excess of cocaine.

Putin just won overwhelmingly the Russian elections, in the middle of the war, he has the popular support for what he is doing because they see what the Western coalitions have been trying to do to them, and they are happy about the favorable result for their country in the field. The one who has not ratified what he is doing is Zelensky, if they had a chance of winning the war, he would have the support, but people are not blind to the reality. At this point they want this madness to stop and not die, because it's a lost cause anyway. Putin gave a speech about the historic relation of Russia and Ukraine, by an historic perspective you can rationalize any border you want in any conflict, who cares. The thing is, Ukraine's journey, starting from a coup in 2014, the continuous Western military presence, and the blatant unwillingness to abide by two peace accords signed in Minsk, Putin finally opted for the war, they gave him the excuse. There was almost an accord to end it as soon as it began, which the West rejected, because they foresaw that a war would weaken Russia to an inevitable collapse. It didn't. There have been more peace offers since, each one worse than the previous for Ukraine, that's where we are, and how it's going to continue to be. In any case, it seems the peace deals will be happening this time.

First of all, counting since February 2022, it's 3 years. You don't even realize how much you mold the reality to fit your wishes. It's as ridiculous as your predictions of the collapse of the Russian regime or the false casualty numbers the Western propaganda machine has been sprouting since day one, like that would win them the war, instead of efficiency on the battlefield. Russia has the main objective of kicking the intentions of NATO about Ukraine away, not taking the whole of Ukraine, but the amount of land it will grab will depend on how far they make them go. The trend is very favorable for them, they are winning, and can continue doing so, that's why they won't settle for any less than the four territories they've already almost taken. But if the West and their puppet want to continue, it will be more. Ukraine is never getting back what they've lost.

I'm European, I wouldn't live in the US for anything in the world. The two main reasons are the ones you cite, their healthcare system, and the lack of gun control. Here you know you are covered whatever you get, and guns in the street are not even a thought in my mind, criminality is low. The cost of housing is a big problem in Spain, more than in northern countries of Europe. Boomers had it quite good, below them it has been getting worse and worse. This is similar to the US here, from what I hear.

Good for you.

They don't have any other chance than dying for nothing, many of them are scaping, deserting, or surrendering. Their government is deciding for them in an expired term, and what they are seeing is that they are having funerals of their youth regularly in exchange for an Eastern land that they know is out of reach forever. This is ridiculous and cruel. Russians are dying too, but they know they are winning the war, and they are much more motivated to fight, not only or that, but with much better incentives. They know they outnumber the Ukrainians and that they will win, but yes, they want this to end too, nobody likes to put his life on the line.

No, I'm not lying, I'm analyzing the hard facts, and the reality of the situation. The Ukrainian government is making the decisions, not the people, whose term ended last year, and it was elected with the promise of maintaining the peace accords of Minsk, that's what they should have done. They didn't and Russia invaded, which at first created an understandable reaction from Ukraine and its people. But as time has passed, and the factual reality of the war is what is it, not favorable for Ukraine. They are tired of trading funerals for an Eastern land that they know they will never be able to recover, which was quite Russian friendly since always anyway. The West had the strategic objective of weakening Russia, that's what this has been about, and the US military industry has made a ton of money and got rid of the obsolete weaponry and equipment, which is good to renew from time to time. The way Ukrainians have been used is extremely shameful, and common people there don't have any way out, any dissidence with this nonsensical war is persecuted.

Man, you know they kicked him out of DOGE saying he was annoying as Hell?

Russia comfortably holds 20% of what was Ukraine and has the capability to keep advancing. Ukrainians don't want to die for what's clearly a lost cause, they are deserting and escaping in huge numbers. The more time passes, the more unsustainable the situation is. The West has been predicting the collapse of the Russian regime since the beginning, and some fools continue to do so, but it's not happening. Russia won, it can be admitted now, or it can be admitted later in much worse terms.

Russia has taken about 20% of what was Eatern Ukraine and have shown the capability to maintain it, counter any attack in other fronts, and keep advancing non-stop and faster. This 20% is not going back to Ukraine ever, and if the other side is not willing to sit and negotiate based on reality, it will continue the war and grab more land. So yes, Russia is winning big.

Russia is winning the attrition war, Ukraine capability to defend get's worse and worse, that's the metric that matters. Russia outnumbers Ukraine's manpower by so far, and its economic viability is good. Yeah, those matter too. This is not about me, it's about people dying for nothing. There is no way on this Earth Ukraine can win this war against Russia, the best they can do is negotiate based on reality, as all their before-the-war predictions, and first year of war ones, have failed to be as they expected. If it continues it will be worse. Trump would continue helping Ukraine if that led to their victory and Russia collapsing and getting weaker in the world, he was totally involved in the de facto NATO militarization of the East of Ukraine in his first term pointing to Moscow. The potato exploded in Biden's hands, who was in the same page anyway or more. The West and Ukraine have two options, face the awful facts now, or face the even worse facts later. They made their bet, they lost, and as conservatives like to say, although they don't apply it for themselves, actions have consequences.