charlie2dogs

thats not the case, i assure you, we are, the creative power of this universe, there is no way to be nothing.

millions upon millions have sought enlightenment for thousands of years, why is it so few that accomplish it? it is talked about today a great deal, but like here on this site there are over 4k topic, and most posting them dont realized that the cure for all the problems and the people here is self realiztion, most are looking everywhere for something to give them relief, when they should have been looking inside.

they last thing to drop is the identity.

enlightenment is the same thing as self realization but i prefer the latter. enlightenment is when the transition occurs, when consciousness is awakened enough that it can shift from being and believing it is the human being or the observed to being the being of consciousness that it was before becoming lost in the identity and function as that, it is an experience, not a rationalization of it.

when you fully awaken, you will want nothing

you can only know that answer after you are self realized.

your first paragraph told me you didnt know what enlightenment was

he has no experience in consciousness, but good theories.

when the student is ready the master will appear,

there is nothing wrong with having feelings for those in distress, there is also nothing wrong with trying to change it if its done constructively, but one thing you should realize, all sickness and disease and distress is self created by the individual it is never by accident. remember most everyone is programed with a false belief system so know what you are dealing with before you decide that you want to change someone else. having compassion for others and being sensitive is good traits, but you cant let it become a negative to you, you have to see the big picture as well as the aspects of the little picture.

when you begin to try and deal with every little issue in your life and every little issue that has taken root within your consciousness since it's beginning, yes it is going to be overwhelming, and that is because you are putting the cart before the horse. rather than seeking the cure for all these things you are trying to deal with symptoms, this is why you are overwhelmed.

most men dont even know they have consciousness, and the ones that do for the most part have no understanding of it, even your scientist cant define it, because they have no experience in it, man hasnt even begun to touch his abilities functioning as the human identity. man is experiencing his natural state, what humans are not experiencing is their original state of being, and in any given generation there are only a handful that awaken to the reality of who and what they are and make the transition from human being to a being of consciousness.

what is the right path? and what does enlightenment mean, are you sure that is what you want.

this idea you have of mastery what does it mean, what would it look like if you accomplished your idea of it.

i knew you could and it was just a reminder, there are millions like you and i talked about, there is not enough hands, not enough compassion, not enough love, not enough money, to help them all the way we would like, but we can do our part the best we can and that is enough. being one of those makes you a special being.

i will do my best to answer the whiney little girl question actually i think i like your response, it says a lot. first of all let me say i understand and feel your pain, i have been in those places, the rehabs, the nursing homes, hospitals, psych hospital, on a regular basis, i have seen what you are talking about and it is horrible that people have to live like they do in those places. I ended up in icu once because i let too much and too many things get to me and wasnt handling things the way i should have been to do the work and survivie myself. the very next day after coming out of the hospital, i went to see a lady i was caring for, and it all started again, i had to lay down at her place for a few minutes and then i told her i had to go home i wasnt feeling well, and i went home and layed down, i knew then i had to change the way i was doing things if i was going to help her and live, she has had a mental condition for over 30 years, i still look after her while she is now n the psych hospital as much as i can, i spent a lot of time in rehabs, and hospitals, there is no way i would want to live like many of them have to live day to day. there are some things in life that you cannot change, cannot do something about, you have to know your limitations and it is possible to do this work without it destroying you. i have been awake a long time but i allowed myself to become too attached to the pain body of others, and you cant do that and survive or work with people like you are talking about that way. you have to pull back, maintain emotional and mental stability to be around and help people in those situations, you have to see the big picture in life, and you have to stay in reality and do it in the moment, fully aware of all of it but doing it for those other people you are involved with and those around them because you care about them and want to try to brighten their day just a little. the only way out of the pain and misery of life for yourself and others is too understand you are functioning as a human identity, and that most always involves pain, misery, and consequences of some sort. i have read your post and responded to some, your consciousness is trying to fully awaken from the dream that we are living in, and it is a dream, an illusion, as much as it seems so real, the only part of the whole thing that is real is the life that you carries your body, you consciousness, it came to experience life in a physical way, that it couldnt as consciousness, it became so attached to the physical that it primarily became lost in the identity it created to experience this life in, believing it was the identity, thereby causing it to have some experiences in physical life that can be anything from mild to horrible, until the awakening begins and change begins to happen. now you are in the process of awakening if you can understand this paragraph and trust it just a little for a period of time and try to take one step away from your physical body and imagine what it feels like to be the source that is giving your body life, this is what we are after to really discover that and be one with it, when consciousness is fully awakened, and you are functioning as that, you can function in the moments of life, seeing the reality of things you talked about, and still be able to function in a way that wont cripple your own self, and make you able to even help those around you, knowing you can only do your part to make their life better, their destiny is not in your hands, and that they to are in this dream that humans created, it is pointless to begin to question why this is happening to them until after you fully awaken then you will know the answer. you said: is it possible to week after week -year after year go into these adolescent pysch hospitals and not be affected by the crazy extremes---chemical restraints ,self harm, ect..from the children - tears, anger ,blame, all the 'normal' reactions i watch the parents expressing. one kid goes crazy and they all go crazy-its insane.one little 5 year old attacks other kids like he's freaking demonized (that was a bad joke -i not buying into demon bullshit or something ). therapist are nothing more than a struggle for me--i have drug addict friends who aren't as pushy with thiere drugs as these therapist people are i realize i am not doing well with life...are you guys suggesting to each other that if you just let things happen somehow your ok with whatever happens? i honestly can't even tell anymore if life makes me sad or just pissed off. the hard thing is none of whats happening is necessary- its all easily changeable (((what is happening is necessary, because it was created by human beings, there is no escaping that, and yes it is changeable, that is why you do what you choose to do to make it better for any and everyone of those people, but you have to do it from a place of reality, seeing the bigger picture and knowing that it is a dream for you and them but you are doing what is important to you to bring change to their dream and their life as you awaken from this dream. yes it is possible for the awakened being to do this, and be happy that you are able and can do these things for those that cant, just to be able to put a smile on many of their faces is reward enough. look deeper within yourself, everything you need to overcome this is there, take up your true state of being as a creator of life, and create the best that you can for yourself and others and be glad that you can, put a smile on your face around those other people, be there for them and know that what you do may make a world of difference in the long term outcome of their existence.)))

you said: The Void, No Mind, Direct experience, pure focus or trance without thought...Whatever you want to call it, how long can you hold it? there is no such thing as no mind and no such thing as stilling the mind of no thought, the void, pure focus, or trance, that is just newage terminology. the human identity has moments of oneness with the true self over time, many mistake that for some major accomplishment, but actually most never understand it when it happens and is soon forgotten as far as any change resulting from it. the consciousness of humans have so much nonsense rooted in it, it is impossible to still the mind. you said: Can you do it outside of meditation practice in normal life with demands of attention and pressure? meditation was meant for human beings in the hope they might connect with the real part of themselves and become that. if you can experience it in meditation, you will experience it everywhere, all the time, most are just not having a real experience. you said: What can you do or do you do while in the void?, there is no void, if one should become self realized you live life, as something other than a human identity, and from a place of reality, you said: Can you transition in and out of it with conscious directed thought, when you want to mentally organize yourself? the transition from human being to a being of consciousness isn't something you pick and choose when you want it for whatever purpose, it is something you become, it is a way of life, why would anyone want to leave a state of being that was giving them peace, joy, and liberation to play the human identity again for what.

orange, you are thinking too much, drop it and see a deeper connection with that part of you that is real and you will know what you need to know when you need to know it.

the creator of the created identity is non physical, and it is the real part of you

sometimes its difficult for many who are awakening to put into words what is really going on with them and rightly so, and often things can seem like broad statements if you are not having the experience being talked about, lets start at the starting line, there appears to be two of you one physical one non physical, the physical is a creation of the non physical, to experience a physical experience that cannot be experienced as an invisible entity, most will function as the created identity all their life, a few will begin to function as the creator of the created identity. this is called self realization or enlightenment. spend some time contemplating this.

you lack peace, the state of being which is peace, all the nonsense that you are anxious about will pass, but what is it doing to you while it is passing, step back, look closely at all that nonsense, pull back inside of yourself until you feel the life giving consciousness, and ask yourself why am i doing this to myself, what do i get out of holding on to things that create anxiety, there is a power within you, that can give you peace, and joy in life, find it, be one with it, and allow all the nonsense to pass without you like the clouds that pass you every day unnoticed,

often one discovers that other peoples way doesnt work, but if you keep your eye on and connect with the life giving consciousness that carries your body, the way will be opened before you, there comes a time when you see most of what you chased after as nonsense, and you get this feeling there is something more , bigger, more powerful, right within yourself. become the moment, experience the moment and and experience it from within and everything else will be taken care of

then you are in the best place you could be, in a confused state at your age, dont jump on every bandwagon that comes along, dont grasp at every newage theory you hear on the net, spend more time with your real self, all the answers you need are there, waiting patiently to appear as the master in your life.

once you are self realized and you become a seer, you will be able to see the future of other people, and events, but you will not be using it as some play toy, it would be rare that you would ever tell anyone their future even if you saw it, if you saw something in a persons life that might be harmful to them you might if they are open to it, guide them in another direction but even then you would not give them the details of what was seen. i wouldnt put any stock in psychics, nor would i put any stock in astrology, and many of the so called hypnotist are not. most of that stuff is newageism. and as for opening the third eye, that is more newageism, you are not going to open your third eye, it will happen when you have evolved to the right place and time. i know this is different than what you hear on the net every day, and once you have these experiences for real you will know the difference, what we have now is people thinking they have experienced something that they haven't even gotten close to, and that becomes part of a false belief system that only leads to more entrapment, but the ego loves entrapment, it is a master of entrapment. as i have said before you are enlightened or you aint, there is no middle ground, there are no levels to enlightenment. everything in between was created by the human identity, through speculation, rationalization, and intellectualizaton of things they dont know but makes them feel like they have accomplished something when they change the meaning of things they dont understand to where they can believe that they fit in.

if your statements are true of the three, then sadhguru would be right. the simple recognition is the newage watered down version.