charlie2dogs

self realization is the ability to function as a being of and from consciousness, not as the fictitious identity we have created, with its programing, false belief system, desires of the flesh and ego. Many try to rationalize this experience but few have ever acquired it. As one individual that is considered a teacher by many said, many are called, few are chosen, and straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it. The religious and newage groups that use these sayings have no idea what it means. I don't know if this will answer your question, it will hinge on where you are in the evolution of your own consciousness, but it is straight to the heart of the matter.

I hope i dont hurt anyone's feelings here, but i would like to comment on this chart. Where did this chart come from, who made it, do you really think this chart is a guage for enlightenment. If someone were to ask me what i thought, i would say it has nothing to do with enlightenment whatsoever. I never use the term enlightenment in normal everyday talking to others or even to myself. I don't use the term spiritual either. I have found in my life that certain terms that are used have generally been butchered by religion or newageism to the degree that i refuse to use them and most often they really dont even apply to anything except a belief. There are no levels to (enlightenment) you are or you ain't. I prefer to use the term self realized instead. Another example where words get butchered is like the word (love) in the mind of most love is a matter of performing acts that they consider loving, but the ego and desires of the flesh identity limits even that. Real love is a state of being not an act performed and that state of being isn't the human identity and ego, it is the self realized being. Many teachers have use charts of one kind or another to try and awaken people leading them supposedly from one level to another, but that doesnt work either, the condition of the world today should tell you a lot about the conditions of human beings and just how effective religious and newage teaching has been. Most people can only hear what they believe that is why its almost impossible to try and awaken anyone. When their programing and false belief system kicks in you are wasting your time and life, you will never defeat a belief system. By and large i really don't think many understand what (enlightenment) or self realized is and means. Many years ago i was a religious fanatic, a newager, then a pretender thinking i was awake, i used all the butchered words, religious and newage terms, all of that gave me a false sense of security. Then i woke up. There is no chart in this world that can tell you if you are self realized or enlightened. When it happens you will know and know for sure, and you will know a lot more about yourself and those around you. And once you have trodden the path, you will only be able to tell those about it who can hear you, most will say well thats just your opinion, or thats just your path, or that is your belief, and then they will try to convince you that you are wrong based on their limited knowledge, experience, programing, and belief. I didnt write this to critize or snipe at anyone, i wrote it because i found it to be very important in my own life and it should be of some importance to anyone who is waking up or wanting to wake up.

John from the day i began to awaken, i had that feeling, and i still have it today, and it is because i have changed, my thought process has changed, everything about me has changed, and that sets us apart from those who want to stay stuck in their programing and false belief system. There was a time when i was not a good speaker, maybe i was backward and i felt a lot of the things like you are talking about at the pool, but after i went through some major changes all that disappeared, and i began to speak from a different place, and with passion, because i had the experience that was required to be able to talk about it to anyone and speak about it with some authority, i basically lost the fear when i found my real self, as for that feeling, i like that feeling because it reminds me that i have changed and that i dont want the old way any more and it keeps me looking forward and looking for a higher version of myself. There will be times and people that you dont feel that way around, and you will have more of a connection with them maybe because they are changing too like you are. My advice is dont be swayed into believing what others think about it, continue with your work it will become clear for you and at a point you might see it as a good thing, I dont know if this helps you any but i understand the feeling well, just dont dwell on that feeling, and go on with your work and life it will become a non issue if you dont make it one, and good luck.

The human and its ego will never be able to rationalize and understand self realization, Last night i ask a group of about 30 people, how do you know when what you think you know is real, and what is your justification for even existing, without answering with religious or newage theories. I got no answers but yet many of the group actually tried to give the appearance of being awake and it was plain to see that those were human beings expressing their rationalizations of the subject I was discussing. No one will ever know what it means to be awake or self realized until after they are. Most of the discussions about these things are fruitless, produce nothing more than more rationalizations, more beliefs, more programing, the more this is done creates more complexity and confusion on the subject. It is not rocket scientist, sit down, be quiet, and experience each moment of life in a conscious, aware, present state of being, as the observer without giving attention or attaching yourself to what is arising in that moment. Keep your emotions and mental state still and only observe, the rest will take care of itself, and after a while you can live much of your life in this state of being while you go about your work. The theories, spiritual practices, the journeys, levels, doctrines, philosophies, rationalizations, intellectualizing, and even the teachers simply make it much more complicated than it is, because they don't have the real experience of it. The things Leo reveals in his videos should tell you this and show you your own pitfalls, put aside your belief system and apply them to yourself with integrity.

You should have heard him, he said some good things, maybe you should consider some of it, it could help your egoic consciousness @FocusOnTruthThis is extreme thinking. All beliefs are not illusions. I believe that I am tapping on a keyboard right now, and that my dog is in the next room. Beliefs are fine. The problem is when you start believing that all beliefs are illusions then you run into real trouble. @charlie2dogs I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I maintain that just because actualized.org involves enlightenment work, we still have to communicate using language and beliefs. I know you can't think yourself into enlightenment. I know all beliefs are illusions. However, this doesn't just mean it is pointless to discuss different beliefs and mental models-- which are still useful tools in personal development. Sure, a leap of faith is required for enlightenment; I understand that,but that's not even what I'm arguing against.

There seems to be a huge misunderstanding about Leo's work, His work is not up for debate or compromise, he is attempting to show everyone what the evolution of human consciousness is about. The only solution to the world's problems is evolution of human consciousness. In reality there is no problem today, the world has, what it has created so there is no problem, but the human being has created a lot of consequences for everyone, and there is no problem there either, except i no longer want the kind of world that unconscious functioning human beings have created. I used to talk in groups on the net with 30-50 people, live every day, these groups included all kinds of people from everywhere. It was always the same, there would be maybe two or three out of the group of 50 that was really hearing what you were saying and applying it to themselves, the rest were busy thinking how they was going to refute what you were saying and how they justify their own belief system or trying to inflict their religion onto what you were talking about. In the book that most call the bible who use it, there is two sayings, i will use them here for a purpose of showing what i am talking about, but i do not accept it or any book or anyone's writings or teachings to take me where i want to go. The first says: many are called few are chosen, the second one says, straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it. Normally the first thing that happens is everyone wants to jump to religion, its not about religion, its not about religious doctrine, Everyone has been called many times in their lives, everyone has had revelations shown to them not by some fake god of religion but from something inside of or rather something that encompasses this physical body, it is consciousness. What did you do with these things, did you stop to take a look, consider and contemplate them, holding on to them because they seemed important or did you just go along forget about them and look to the programing that you have been programed with or your belief systems that you have created from all the programing. There is not a million ways, paths, journeys, doctrines, methods, practices, spiritual practices to liberation, there is only one way, and it is a straight and narrow way. If you are concerned about the evolution of your own consciousness, and have this deep desire for something that you do not even understand yet, you need to stop haggling over programing, doctrines, and false beliefs, and try to hear those who have fought this battle before you, however at any given times there will always be, only a few who can or will that is normal, now the question is, who is that, that you might listen to, it won't be the guy that makes you feel comfortable, or the guy who will let you feel good about the warped perception that you hold about everything, its going to be the guy who can strike at the core of your being and your false belief system, you are going to want to resist, all of your programing and belief is going to resist it, but there will be a few who persevere in the face of all of that because there is something inside of them seeking liberation. Personally i think Leo is doing a great job, if you are one of the few, put aside your beliefs for a bit and embrace what he is showing you, apply it to yourself honestly without resistance. if you are able, spend some time contemplating what he says honestly, sit in silence with it, and you will find something is happening to you after a while. You will find yourself, the real you, who and what you are. Put it on an mp3 player, take long walks, listen to it often. Over coming years of programing and false belief won't change in a day, but if you seek liberation from it, it will find you.

as i recall my post was not directed at you, why did you take it so personal? Your short statement says a great deal, spend some time with it, it contains your questions and answers.

Instead of trying to find a hole in Leo's work why not embrace it and apply it to your own life, the fact you are trying to find a hole in his work says a lot about you. I think transcending ego would be a better alternative. That way you can still enjoy life and do fun things, while being grounded in the awareness of what you are existentially. That's where enlightenment work and self-actualization can go hand-in-hand. If you try to 'kill'/ neglect one or the other, life can get very unbalanced.

A single sentence written reveals a great deal about the writer when seen by a conscious, aware being. I didn't encounter Leo until not long ago but I have listen to quite a number of his videos and to date, I can find nothing to disagree with and Leo's videos are not making me complacent but rather reminding of things I have struggled with all my life, and now I can resonate with what he says. Based on what I have seen and heard from Leo so far, if something were to arise that I felt resistance to, I would first turn it on myself and look deeply as to why the resistance was there, is it because of some false belief that I hold based on programing that I had received in life and held on to that might be creating the resistance. Given the record I have seen from Leo in his videos I would have to think long and hard before I disagreed with what he said. No two humans are on the same level of human consciousness, some have made more progress in evolving, when that happens those around them seem to want to hold on to their old belief systems rather than open up their minds to the possibility of something new that they haven't seen about themselves. In order to assess ones own state of being it requires integrity. The biggest problem with most things is that humans tend to rationalize and intellectualize things when they haven't had the living experience, which most often only add to their own entrapment created by their programing and belief system. If your ear only allows you to hear and your mind only accepts what you believe, you are in deep deep trouble and those who are, cannot see it.

In interest of not becoming too complacent with what you hear from actualized.org, i find this amusing, if you are becoming complacent listening to Leo, you are not understanding his messages at all. Wake up, if you can.

the world sure has gotten in a mess with people thinking for themselves hasn't it? Do you reckon their thinking process has anything to do with the mess that is being created? I do understand that about three tenths of one percent in any given generation awaken to the reality of self realization.

my identity age is much much older than you young folks, consciousness, the only real part of me, i dont think that age has a place there, however i feel that i existed before the universe appeared. My point here is, Leo has a lot to offer you young guys and gals, you wont grasp it in the beginning but stay with it, turn toward your own consciousness, in the silence of that space you will find yourself and the real answers will come to you.

may i ask you a question, when you finish that 700 pages how much will you have learned about yourself?

what does all this have to do with self realization, or does that have anything to do with your question, in the event that your question is related to self realization, then devote all your time to being silent, and if you have such a busy schedule that you cant spend that time in silence then the consequences of life will be your teacher.

Isle of View, start by sitting in silence, without attention nor attachment to anything and begin to feel the depth of your own consciousness that exist along with this physical body, be still, be silent, it may reveal something to you.

there is no subconscious mind, where does this idea come from, trying to reprogram and rewrite over your real problems is not the answer. Why not simply figure out the basic issue and deal with that to attain as much liberation as you can in this lifetime. Most of the chatter is coming from the fictitious identity and ego, this idea of reprograming and rewriting is coming from the same place. Most are attempting to solve the problems from the part of themselves that can never solve the problems. The only lasting solution for your problems is self realization, without drugs, without trying to cover up the programing with other programing.

the one question i would ask is does a self realized or acutalized being use drugs, did they use drugs to attain that state of being, the ones that i have heard dont use drugs, have always heard them talk against drugs. Maybe the goal of many using the drugs is not to be self realized, a vid leo did on spiritual growth, real or fake comes to my mind, maybe drugs is associated with fake spirituality, what ya think heart of space?

Most everyone is dishonest, only a few ever admit to their dishonesty and lies, Leo did a video on sneaky lies, it would do everyone good to watch that. As for people finding their place in life, everyone is in their right place every moment of the time but only a few actually live life, life is living most people because they function unconsciously throughout their lives. Trying to rehabilitate people is a failed effort, you cannot defeat the belief system and programing of other people, It is not our responsibility to rehabilitate others, we should attend to our own work of awakening from the dream of the fictitious identity controlled by the ego and the desires of the identity or flesh, if we are going to pretend that we have a purpose it should be this and not some idea of saving the world. As one awakens and change comes it is one more change in the world, change and evolution of human consciousness is a slow process, newage and religious nonsense dosen't work. Change will come for each when the consciousness evolves enough to provide for change. As far a dealing with dishonest or criminal type people, maybe its best to move away from those types rather than to allow them to have an influence on your own consciousness, I fully understand that everyone pretends they can be around and be involved in anything and everything and not allow it to taint them, but that is more nonsense, what you allow and be involved in takes root in your consciousness, and once it has taken root it is going to bring change that really isn't going to be what an awakened being wants. An awakened being is seeking the cleansing of his or her consciousness, liberation from the nonsense and insanity of what is going on around them. Religious fanaticism, newageism, and liberalism is very destructive to the human consciousness. Cleansing of the consciousness is not accomplished by being in and participating in destructive things, for me, I find that being quiet within my own consciousness allows me to function as a being of consciousness, as an observer first, seeing the reality of the events of the moments unfolding before me without attention and attachment, gives me an opportunity to over ride the programing, false beliefs, warped perceptions that has been created and allows for a constructive action to be taken if one is called for and necessary and if not just allow that event to die and cease creating no problems, rather than functioning as an unconscious human beings with a fictitious identity being ruled by the desires of the flesh and ego. Also spending as much time in the space of consciousness beingness brings cleansing to consciousness. Also in that space none of this would have even been spoken, but in communicating with others one uses words and says things in order to convey a message or point, Seems to me that what is rooted in consciousness or quantum memory one would want to cleanse from their consciousness while they are alive and in this dimension as much as possible, often much of this is revealed in that place of quiet within consciousness, and we can look at it intelligently without bias and resolve that by embracing it, learning all we can from it, and create a constructive change from it, thereby erasing that quantum memory or cleansing it from the consciousness. This is my own experience, not someone else's words, books or tv programs, it has been earned the hard way, a long hard road of trials and troubles that i created for myself out of ignorance, struggle within, searching, seeking for something that for a long time i could not even define, to finally see that it was liberation that i was looking for, and if i would hold any desire it would be this, when the time comes to step out of this physical body, be able to do it in a conscious state of present awareness as a being of consciousness knowing that the real me was never born, never lost, never needed saving, and that i would continue on to the next stage of the evolution of my own consciousness, with joy and gladness and an eagerness to see what awaits my arrival and i am pretending that something actually awaits my arrival but in reality there is nothing beyond this moment until and if another happens.

over time i have listen to many people who talk about the use of psychedelics and their spiritual experience, at the same time i observe their programing, and belief systems in things that basically control their lives in every way. My first question to them is what does spiritual mean, and what will a person who is programed with a false belief system get from an experience on drugs, what kind of experience will it really be considering their programing and false belief which has basically imprisoned them in a place that limits their ability to see, hear, speak, think, taste and feel. I myself dont think that enlightment, self realization, self actualization can be attained with drugs, you cant be something with drugs that you haven't attained to in a raising of your own consciousness and i dont think that drugs will raise your level of consciousness but that it might help to keep you trapped in a false belief system. Another question i ask a lot of people and so far i get no real answer except for some beliefs, and that is how do you know when what you think you know is real. I have always viewed drugs as a crutch for those who are programed and hold false belief systems and warped perceptions of life, based on my life experience awakening and a raising of ones consciousness takes time and a lot of effort and i dont see drugs playing into it, i can only see drugs reinforcing what you already are.