charlie2dogs

trust your instinct, you should have left him long ago and not went back.

what have you gotten from spending all that time in meditation besides sleep

1. what do you do in this meditation. 2. what is the purpose of your meditation 3. what are you getting out of your meditation

according to what you wrote your life is a total mess, and you appear to be degenerating more and more, emotional and mental issues as well as the physical part of life. Before any change can happen you have to have a desire to change and i dont mean just saying i want to change but a deep down desire to have a better life. Right now you are functioning as an unconscious human identity falling victim to everything that is destroying you. Personal growth isnt what you need right now, you need a workable plan to live and function on a schedule, you need to stop seeing yourself as a victim and get a new picture of yourself. You need stability, because you are not ready for personal growth. Actually you need to see a good counselor that is if you are going to listen and do what that person tells you to do to improve your situation and apparently the shrink you are seeing doesnt seem to be working out. Im not going to sit here and tell you that you are ok cause you aint, you got problems, and you need to work on them now, not another day. You need to see a good counselor on a very regular basis. Im talking about a person who can take the time to help you get a life, if you are able, and that if you are able is the main question that needs an answer, if you have given up to the degree that you dont feel there is no hope for you and you cant and wont do anything about it, then there is probably no hope for you. There is no time like right now to make that change, now my one question to you is, do you really want to or are you just looking for conversation and sympathy?

get off your knees, sit down, be still, be quiet, and be with the life force within yourself in a conscious, present state of awareness, your answer will come from there. this isn't rocket scientist work, you just have to get beyond all the information gathering, religious fanaticism, and the newageism

Hulse is a very intelligent man when it comes to knowledge of the body, and body building. One can learn a lot from him, good stuff too. I would not go as far as to say that he treats it as a form of meditation, and i would not say it is connected in any way to self realization, i dont see any evidence for that but i think he is helping a lot of people with their body and how to train and build their body and i use a lot of his information myself in my own workouts. Personally i think a self realized being is seeking the highest expression of themselves as a being of consciousness, and that requires some physical fitness if you are going to be part of this physical world, your appearance and physical body is a reflection of your own consciousness.

then maybe you should enjoy the life of the identity you created for yourself until you are ready to discover the real you. No matter at what stage you decide to discover this, it requires a transition from the identity to the real you. If it is causing you this much fear and problem, i would ignore it for now, enjoy what you have until, there is a greater desire to know who and what you really are and then there should be no fear, but only a desire for liberation. When you do decide to do this, the first thing is to be quiet, be still, don't think, just be still and be quiet and be with that source of life that is within your own body. This should not cause any discomfort for you but should give you peace. You are now consumed with too much information gathering that has you confused and in a state of fear and anxiety. Let it rest for now and just do what i showed you to be still, quiet, with the life force within your physical body, that will be enough.

You existed before you created this identity, the problem now is you only know yourself as the identity and you are feeling insecure and fearful, these feeling you have is a good thing, explore it deeper and deeper until you are seated in the core of your own being, and the fear and insecurity will be gone.

Is seeing the real nature of other people judging them? No it isn,t, if one becomes self realized you will see those around you very clearly. The I am which observes, sees through all the nonsense and bs, it is normal, seeing that real nature allows you to not be involved with people who have a destructive nature. Many would accuse me of judging in this statement, it is not judging, it is and observation of those who function as the identity and ego, based on living experience, do i dwell on this, no. There is too much religion and newageism involved in this subject, and it is normal for religion and newageism to basically destroy the meaning of things with their insane philosophies that accomplish nothing but only imprison. A self realized being should be able to know the other person better than that other person knows themselves, their life should be an open book before you, do i focus on this as something special, or pretend i have something that others don,t, no, it is the reality of being self realized to see through the illusions, when you know yourself well enough you will know all others. Judging is a term used by religion and newageism and humans in general as a protection mechanism from truth and reality and keeps them feeling secure. If you can see through the nonsense and illusions be glad for it, use it for yourself and others benefit and in a way that doesn,t bring consequences to yourself or others. When you attempt to give the reality of a thing to others in an attempt to help them in their personal growth that maybe you have experienced, it requires the use of the of identity and its abilities to to type these words here, also it requires the use of language that you hope some will understand, often many look for something to challenge because of their own belief system, rather than trying to grasp the real meaning of what is being said and often becomes nothing more than a debate of huge egos rather than something constructive. I hope helps you in some way about judging Teags but the real understanding and meaning will have to come from the I am. P.S. to see the reality of things is not passing judgment.

Jevin, you can become self realized right where you are, you dont have to give up everything, save the plane fare to india, you can live life as a self realized being and it isnt boring, it brings joy, peace, and security and puts the identity and ego in the back seat so that you can live life without creating consequences of a lot of pain and misery for yourself and others. I have several post that talks about becoming self realized and things you can do the help that happen.

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I would like to ask you what would be your plan for jumping the gun to enlightenment, just how would you manage that.

the right teacher can show you the pitfalls, show you what you are and are not, can point you in the right direction to gaining a better understanding of yourself, and how to connect with the real part of yourself, if you are able to hear his message, if you are willing to put aside your beliefs, if you are willing to do the work, There is one part that no one can give you or show you or help to take you there and that is the transition that occurs from the identity to the being of consciousness that has to be experienced by you alone. Most wont accept that help because of their own programing, beliefs, and ideas of what they think, the few that can and do make progress and may self realize, if the transition takes place and no teacher can give it, or tell you that you will achieve it.

the ideal is to drop your practice of any kind, even meditation, drop the desires, drop the objectives, drop the goals, drop it all and simply be still, be quiet, within the space of the I am.

If you are functioning as a self realized being, these negative thoughts do not exist, just like pain, misery, problems, the past, the future don't exist. When a realized being as the observer observes an event arising, the ideal is simply to be the observer without clinging, or giving attention, ok i know someone is going to say, how can you observe it without giving attention, you can and those who function as the observer understand what i mean. Once the observer has seen the reality of the event that has arisen, he/she/ has the opportunity to choose to act on it or allow that thought to die. If the event that has arisen has something to do with your own quantum memory and it is an issue that is creating pain and misery for the identity body it can resolved and cleared from quantum memory and make life for the identity better, one can embrace what is being seen, understand it, learn from it, and clear that lesson so that it wont have to be confronted time and time again possibly being more painful each time it arises. In the space of I am there is no negative thoughts.

your body and everything you know and see is nothing more than a hologram. an illusion. Something that you cannot see created your body to play in, it is consciousness. and that is the only real part of you and your world.

its not about giving up little petty bs, its about become a different kind of being.

by all means run away and while you are gone see if you can find the real you

oschi this marathon is never finished while in the body, and to talk about after the body dies would only be speculation or some remembering of being out of the body after death, but we cant even be sure that it isnt just a figment of your imagination, so we wont go there. One can achieve a state of being that liberates from the pain and misery of human beings and the world. A state of peace, joy, and the opportunity to see the reality of things, and to possibly have a decision in what happens in your life, and you can be happy in knowing that you are the master over your identity and the insanity of this world. It doesnt happen by accident but it can be had. Many are called but few are chosen.

if you do decide to start the section i would participate in it if you would like, but by now many know im a no nonsense kind of guy, that pretty much has to go straight to the heart of things. I try to do it in a helpful way and in the right spirit, but it isnt always taken that way, but that depends on the ability of the hearer whether the hearer can hear or not and the attitude they take about it reveals the level they are on. Just wanted to add this and let you know i would support your section.

I was just reading your reply and wanted to tell you about my own awakening, it only came because i gave up enough of the physical life, to devote time to understanding myself on a deeper level being with the life force that is within myself, which is consciousness. However i did give up a lot of my own life to help those who could not help themselves, and i suspect even that played a big role and that was by choice, but i think by the actions of showing compassion to those who had no means to help themselves, and giving to keep them from sliding through the cracks, it affected me on a much deeper level. In reality those actions was coming from a deeper level of my own being, and at a point i began to understand that this physical body was not who i was. Then over some time because of my desire and willingness to be open consciousness revealed a lot of things to me that much of this world still dont know or understand, and one day i suddenly became aware that a transition had happened within myself, and i sort of felt a separation from my physical body, that happens when you move into the moment of life within consciousness, in a present aware state of being. Searching the web or reading others books and writings or clinging to gods and religions wont get you there, you have to reconnect with the real part of yourself, be there, observe life from there, and function from there, consciousness is the most powerful thing in existence and yet it cant be seen, it is the ground of all being, everything is formed from consciousness. It is who and what we are but most have become disassociated from it. Being still, being quiet, in that space with the source of life that is within you is the key. In the beginning it isnt easy it takes practice, but in the end, it will bring liberation and self realization.

Monika i was looking at the number of topics already on the forum, 13 pages i think, and looking at the titles of those topics tell a lot about forum members and where they are. Monika, solutions only work for those who first can hear the solution without their programing and false belief system shutting it down, most people hear according to what they believe, their belief limits their hearing, Most will not go against their belief system to implement change. Most already think they are more awake than they are. Just reading other peoples text will tell you where they are by the questions and remarks that they make. Once awakened the self realized not only know themselves but know all others as well. To a self realized being, the lives of others is an open book, seen at a glance. There is only a very small percentage of people who will ever take a real solution seriously doesn't matter that it is coming from a person who has walked the path ahead of them. There are so many newage theories and philosophies today there is nothing but mass confusion. I have been involved in two or three chat rooms on the internet for a number of years, talking about consciousness, personal growth, liberation from the insanity of the human condition and generally instead of taking you seriously, most who are running on programing and belief are just waiting to give you their opinion and instead of trying to understand the real solution that you are giving, they say well that is your belief or that is your opinion, they don't even realize that all they have is belief and opinion trying to talk to real life experience. The reality is that only a handful of the people in your lifetime will awaken to the reality of life and who and what they are, most of it will be rationalized, intellectualized, and many will actually believe they are awake, in reality they have no idea what awake means, have no idea of the transformation that happens to a person when they awaken and become self realized. Honestly most of it has become nothing more than a social forum with people expressing their opinions on things they know nothing about. I know this may sound harsh to you and many others but once awakened you can no longer accept the nonsense and you cannot help people by giving them more nonsense, and when you give reality you get accused of being to harsh or talking over the heads of other people. I am not trying to discourage you, go for your solution forum, and when you do observe everything, the questions asked, the answers given, look for living experience and not opinions and belief, observe the difference. The living experience of a human functioning as the fictitious identity that they have created, and the living experience of a human who has made the transition from the human being to the being of consciousness that we really are, are a world apart, but then they tell us there are many levels to all of this, that there are many paths, and journeys which never seem to have a real destination or expectation of arrival at a destination but leaves everyone with an excuse for where they are, and this is normal behavior in a world of human beings with fictitious identities. I realize that all things change moment by moment and that consciousness is in a process of evolution, I also know that when reality sets in the illusions and dreams dissolve and everything changes because you are no longer a human being but a being of consciousness that observes life and functions from that space of being. Having said all that, good luck with your proposal and your own personal growth.

It is better to be happiness than to seek it.

if you are not your own master someone else will be

Love is not something that you do or perform it is something that you are.. and if you dont take it to the relationship it most likely will fail or continue in pain and misery. Two lonely people come together out of their loneliness and make a play called love. How can a relationship survive when those in it dont even know what love is or possess it. If those in the relationship are functioning as the identity and ego, each with their own programing and belief system, it will be a rocky road. When you become self realized you become love, you no longer need to be loved, so that in itself changes the game of needing to be with someone or needing to be in a relationship. The meaning of many words have been butchered by unlearned people to the degree that those words are meaningless. You have to know yourself, love yourself, before you can know or love another.