charlie2dogs

I dont understand and maybe i do what the big deal about deleting your account is about but, why bother with it, just go away and it is over, ended, no need to make a fuss.

I am self realized, I prefer self realized to the terminology of enlightenment. There are way too many misconceptions about enlightenment, and it is used by too many wannabe gurus who have no idea what the process is really about or what the state of being is, most of the chatter about it is just newageism.

functioning in the future or the past can only be done by the human identity.

i like you vigi you doing your best to present a challenge to me, but still no answer to the question, so i will answer it for you now. No you cannot experience the moment of life and be in the future or the past because neither exist in that moment.

vigi, you said that I said: So if the being of consciousness is functioning only in the moment of life, then how can it have a life purpose, which is a planning for the future, which in reality does not exist ? That wasn't what i said, i said: how can you be in the moment of life and be in the future at the same time. you said: then how can it have a life purpose, which is a planning for the future, which in reality does not exist ? in all these texts you have yet to answer my question, do you realize that. you know the answer, but you cant say it because it will leave you in a quandary that you can't explain.

and the real solution is to know yourself, the more you know yourself the more that will be revealed to you, in dealing with these things.

what you are doing is seeking love in another that you are not yourself, in most all relationship there are two lonely people who are seeking love out of their loneliness in another person, and it always fails, its not a matter of if, its a matter of when, and after a certain amount of pain and suffering has been endured, what i am saying is if you are not love itself and you dont have the tools to take to the relationship it has already failed before it begins, i dont know if you can see that or not but that is what is reallly happening on a higher level, so the only solution, you must become love, and then you wont need love, and you wont be chasing after love, but you will be free to deal with those situations from a better position. and you just might recognize where the other person is that might become part of a relationship with you.

yes we hear you but you didn't really tell us what the stress is about, do you have the hots for the girl is that what you are telling and that maybe infatuation has a grip on you or are you trying to run away and can't?

you said: If I understood your perspective, it's that: Unenlightened person: Can grasp concepts Enlightened person: Can not grasp concepts I didn't say anything about concepts I ask you how you could be in the moment of life and be in the future at the same time, but you keep giving me this thing about keeping an appointment. come on you have to stop avoiding the question if you are going to broaden your perspective.

you are right there are no accidents, all sickness and disease is self created and what exist for any human being is what was created by that individuals thought process, and the consequences of that thought process and their actions. most have no real understanding of what has been programed into or allowed to be programed and has taken root in their consciousness. What has taken root in consciousness is actually quantum memory, and it doesn't just pertain to our little existence here during this lifetime, it contains everything that the consciousness has experienced since its beginning, unless some parts of it has been cleansed from consciousness, and the cleansing of the consciousness cannot be cleansed by the human identity. the programing, false belief system, warped perception, ego, desires of the human identity will not allow that. so it must be done from another place and there is only one other place that can be done and that is to experience as a being of consciousness functioning as consciousness and not a human being. If there are victims, it too is self created, but often there are many excuses for these things as i am sure that you are aware of given your text above.

vigi i didn't ask you for a video or someone else's quote, I'm asking you.

Excellent

and vigi, you have to remember that a self realized being doesnt play this game of life, like everyone else. Honestly i think this is a good website for personal growth, i think that is the primary purpose that is happening here and that is a good thing. And maybe this isnt the place for so much talk of self realization, even the majority of people who sit at satsangs in front of masters are not ready for my reality of self realization. It has been a long hard road and soon i hope to move further into the mountains, to enjoy the solitude of the mountains, enjoy nature and the animals, and who knows maybe i can talk some self realization to some bigfoot

vigi a self realized being lives in the moment, now i ask you how can you live in the moment and be in the future at the same time

vigi, no offense meant here, but most everything you have said you used the word believe, i can't debate, or agree to anything from or is based on belief. I understand you are trying to explain to me about an enlightened person, but unless you are enlightened that is impossible for you to do, it says that you are speculating about something that you have no experience as. I have tried since i have been on this site, to define, what it is like to function as a self realized being of consciousness, and to show the most direct, shortest route to achieve that without all the religions, teachings, methods, philosophies, and how to avoid the consequences and misery of continuing to live as a human identity. And i have seen there are quite a few that is getting something from that, even though they may not fully understand, and that is ok, they are open, growing, and seeking the higher version of themselves. It has been those few that have kept me here, because i see them, i know them, i feel them, i know where they are, i know what direction they are headed in, i know what they really mean when they say something whether it is openly said or not, i know how they think and why they think the way they do. There has been only maybe three that blatantly criticized what i was trying to do or say and want to argue or debate it, and i understand and i don't participate in it, i have nothing to debate, nothing to argue, i only have understanding, and knowledge that comes from living experience based in reality and not warped perceptions created from programing and belief. If it wasn't for the number that has let me know that what i am doing is helping them and is valuable to them i would have left this site before now for good. I know that things that i put out is not for everyone, but this is a mixed forum, so all i can say is if what i put out is helpful and can benefit anyone on here, great but for those who won't, can't because of their own belief systems, i can't change what i am doing, they will just have to ignore it as it was never written. I am open to talking to anyone if its done with the right attitude, and for understanding and growth, i learned long ago you can waste a lot of life trying to talk to a belief system, you will never defeat a belief system, that has to be dropped by the individual if and when they are able and until then, most will not listen to reason because they already know what is right, but what they think they know is from the limited perspective of the human identity, not as a realized being. 99.9 % of the world around you will never become self realized in your lifetime. Many are called, few are chosen, and I am not referring to being called by a non existent god. This was not meant to offend you, another event has arisen, it is waiting me to hit the submit button, cheers

I have nothing to defend, and yes you could have used a better choice of words but you are still defending your choice of words with more words with the same effectiveness and intent, such as ( I don't believe such rancor would come from the mouth of a self realized being) I have no idea what cook-greuters research is , and im not basing my life on that. If what i have said, you consider it rancor, maybe you should just drop it and ignore it, because if that is your attitude about what i was saying then we don't really need to be having this conversation. Lets move on to more important things.

actually i liked your response, i am glad it was valuable to you, it says a lot about you. thanks for the reply

How many different levels are there that frequent this site. do you think it is possible to speak to all levels with one statement. What is an awakened person to you, if i could ask. you said: your description of a fully realized person sounds more like a dysfunctional tool unable to consciously adjust to the real world. are you self realized? no you are not, so how would you know what a fully realized person does or does not do? you said: I also harbour great suspicion for those who claim to know they are in contact with the absolute truth, who find reasons to argue instead of integrate and display an air of low level disrespect and a whiff of bitterness toward "ordinary" people who function at different levels of truth. I am also averse to people who seem to have lost the ability to speak to people on their level and give them the answers they need. I never said anything about absolute truth, and i never argue or debate. I state what my own experience, knowledge and understanding that came from experience, to debate that would be foolish because i would be debating with a human identity that was still functioning unconsciously and trying to debate me with their programing and false beliefs. You harbour great suspicion, and you are adverse to what i am talking about because you are functioning as the human identity, i am not. I cannot make one statement fit everyone here, when its one on one, i can make it fit but not in an open forum with people on many levels, I have to say what needs to be said, and the ones who are awakening normally as a rule make an effort to understand rather than, harbour great suspicion and have an adversion to people they know nothing about. I can assure you if and when you become self realized, you wont be making these statements, and you will at the very least be trying to understand that you haven't or can't, until then i understand and it is ok. cheers

i have no idea what you are talking about with tolle, let me ask you a couple questions, how many enlightened people have you scheduled a meeting with, also in your statement you are speaking for the unenlightened and the enlightened, how did you arrive at what an enlightened person would do. The reason i ask is i thought i knew what a self realized person would do before i self realized then i discovered that what i thought i knew, had little meaning. Thanks for the reply.

This is an interesting and important question. Where does this answer come from, some say from inside, some say other things. It is the human identity that decides the life purpose for the human being and not the consciousness for most all people. The humanity identity is controlled by everything outside of itself, programing, their involvement with society, friends and family, its creates beliefs from all these things, it has desires of the flesh for material things and pleasures therefore the identity chooses what it thinks will fulfill itself as far as a life purpose goes, and that is all good and well for the identity. but If and when one becomes self realized, then none of that can exist, because none of those are now in control of the destiny of the consciousness that possesses the physical body, once consciousness has fully awakened. For the self realized being, there is no future, no past, no identity, so where does this life purpose question fit in then. It doesn't, as a self realized being one is functioning in the moment of life, without thoughts of future or past, and living what life brings before the consciousness as the observer of events, one at that point functions in a conscious, aware, present state of being. So if the being of consciousness is functioning only in the moment of life, then how can it have a life purpose, which is a planning for the future, which in reality does not exist ?

Meditation may help you become calmer which can help you, the shyness and awkwardness will leave you as you mature in life. Just remember you are not the body, there is something greater within the body, the real you, it is your strength, your source for everything, seek it in your meditation

This is an interesting question, and some years ago while i was functioning as the identity that I as consciousness had created, I could have come up with a lot of great answers for this question, but now those ideas are worthless, because now i know it wasn't me as the identity at all that was causing this personal growth work, I was just the actor carrying out the actions of an awakening consciousness, and i was pretending as the identity, that it was the physical me that was doing all this work, and it seemed as though i as the identity was putting forth a lot of effort and energy, until i awoke from the dream, and now i can reflect on the steps that I as consciousness went through to awaken from that dream, and i remember the day very vividly when a transition happened, that i began to function from and as consciousness, rather than the identity, and then the identity with its ego and desires of the flesh was no longer the driving, controlling force in my life. And now the identity means nothing other than just this physical body that the real me is using to remain here until i tire of wearing it and then i will step out of it, as a being of consciousness. The great thing about this is, I wont still be in a dream where the real me is trapped in the identity, functioning as an unconscious human when the body drops dead. Leaving the body in a liberated state of being means everything.

my intention was to point out that the thinking process of the humanity identity is the problem, now i can see where the thought process as the human identity created a lot of consequences, pain and misery for me and others but i could not see that functioning as the human identity.

as long as you need to be loved, you will never be self realized

mastermind, the problem with men is that they do not understand what love is, do not connect with a woman on the emotional, mental, levels of their being and yet pretend that they understand women. Relationships fail because the humans seeking a relationship do not carry the tools necessary to have a successful relationship, to the relationship to begin with. The norm is you have two lonely humans out of their own loneliness seeking to find love in someone else because they themselves have no real experience nor possess love themselves and have no understanding of the different levels of the human being. You first have to be love in order to love, without this every relationship is already a failure.