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@Nahm that is perfect i resonate with it completely on a soul level ♥️♥️♥️ thank you♥️♥️♥️

@Leo Gura checked out Stan Grof on spiritual emergencies, i noticed when he mentioned some of the phenomena on kundalini awakenings is when we copy animals, i did have that on the first 2 days, where i would do something strange like dogs do trying to sniff the leafs on trees, it was just a weird instinct another one was when there was a song that played in the background of my head, a song i have never heard ever in real life, but it played so nicely it was a cult like song of a woman singing, she sounded lovely, at first i didn't pay attention to it didn't care was too fatigued and i was just meditating on bed i'll try and let go and trust in the process more, since i feel some instinct towards that instead of trying to figure out what's going on with me, as that's driving me crazy with all the worry thank you leo @Paulus Amadeus don't think i'll do 5meo anytime soon maybe in a few weeks if my situations does not improve i'll go seek a shaman or a retreat to do another one, clearly home 5meo isn't working out for me @Chi_ no programs of that sort where i live, thanks for the suggestion, i think the insomnia will pass it just needs time to clear itself and balance it's energies around the body @Nahm thank you i'll give all that a try

@nowimhere what is your recovery time after plugging? are you able to sleep within the next day?

@Keyhole @Salvijus @Rinne @The Awakened Viking @mandyjw @Corpus @OBEler @Rinne @Richard Alpert @Enlightenment @NoSelfSelf @Zigzag Idiot @Nahm day 6 update no sleep, very fatigued had tripping like feeling like 4 times tinnitus grew louder, heart beat went rapid, felt weird sensations of energy, mostly around intestine it can go to other parts of the body when i observe overtime can go up to legs,ass forearm, the worst part is the brain since i can feel it pumping blood harder, mind was very active wide awake when this happened impossible to sleep it feels like a stimulant (note no feeling of leaving body slight this time) i'm starting to wonder if this is really kundalini energy or just some unknown drug turning on and off stuck at my intestine, even though i did poop as mentioned over 4-5 times by now and poop'd another one last night the method of administration was with filtered white vinegar only (ingredients on the bottle said it had filtered water + filtered white vinegar) any chance it's because of that that this is so on going? or is it really all in my head a ptsd or hppd.. i'm deseperate for answers hence i pinged eveyrone, sorry guys, i just want to rest and have peace, if anyone has any idea if vinegar messes with the meo after effects of trips let me know @Aeris i dont have the energy for sport but i'll try walking more often Edit: i Looking at phone i noted timing of when i felt like i started tripping 2:56am 3:31am 6:56am 10:22am the timing isn't always accurate sometimes i would be late by a few minutes since i'm trying to let go seeing if anything is changing

@Keyhole i managed to go get some sleep for the first time, still fatigued out of it but better than nothing had 2 or 3 trips last night i surrendered to them, they confused me i dont feel like im learning anything from them besides feeling all sorts of weird energy to my body and mind i had some pm advice to masturbate to drop the energy faster, which i did notice less vibrations but i feel more fatigued the next day, i kind of wanted a clean mindset since its so early after 5meo but i was just so desperate to lower it since i just want to sleep already, but the sleep doesnt even feel that recovering hopefully it gets better soon i did play a video game for like an hour or 2 last night too, which i feel like i should do more of but they do feel fatiguing thanks for checking on me edit: i just noticed this feeling of fatigue feels very similar to the first or 2nd day after 5meo, not sure whats eating my energy is it the mini trips or masturbation or just not sleeping enough

@Nahm thank you nahm, should i let go and let the kundalini reactivate over and over every night? i notice it trips me (almost 5meo like) whenever i lay to the side or on my back, it can be very uncomfortable because it's too often and is tiring since it's a surge of energy, i don't even know if it's kundalini i assumed it was a ptsd/mild ptsd at first, later thought it could be hppd and now i'm stuck with it's kundalini energy? hoping it's temporary and doesn't reset if it's re-activated or re-tripped in other words. these vibrations get scary because i'm just not familiar with such a feeling every night and i can't really find any peace with it yet i have a fear of it lasting longer than i want, the ego wants to know but it can't know much about what's going with me right now, bless you nahm, thank you for sharing the love "Some Things to Consider Avoiding:1.Meditation – Various meditation techniques generally serve well to still and calm the rational thinking mind and to rarify consciousness and are definitely recommended for long term integration. However, when activated the contents of the psyche can be highly stirred up and regular meditative techniques can sometimes trigger further reactivation. If the initiate’s intent is to effectively ground themselves, it is recommended to suspend any regular meditative practices until these reactivations settle." from : https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5d3751abc200c54724f3dbdf/5d38dc9c0ab1ce1c6a79d322_Integration-Guidelines-CONCLAVE-28.05.18.pdf

@SunnyNewDay i notice my vibrations are always present its hard to even tell sometimes if im relaxed or not even with music on i start doubting myself but im like no i feel fine, kind of confusing did u feel anything similar to this? @OBEler doubt the kundalini hype on changing me into a higher vibrational being, we're all pretty much equal as one always one

@SunnyNewDay @SunnyNewDay does it even matter if i keep reactiving the energy all the time will it pass away in 2 weeks time if i just try to relax on breath as i attempt to sleep every night in any position? seems like the most sane thing i can manage to do although i do freak out when the burst of energy comes

,@SunnyNewDay the belly breathing is scary it got so intense that i was able to move the energy to my legs holding my hand under my armpit anf bicep is tiring too cant i just focus on my breath instead or is it dangerous i fear reactivating like last nightf

@SunnyNewDay can you link some relaxing music

@SunnyNewDay thank you i will give this a try, ive been come forgetful due to low sleep read threar twice and forgot

from what i understand this is technically me reactivating the kundanili energy due to meditating on my breath always when im at bed? its very automated by me not sure what to do right now, i could try apunture sometime i guess will try to ground other stuff but i dont have the people to do so ;(

if i cant meditate what do i do when im on bed?@Corpus

@Rinne yes i've been trying day naps lots of them whenever i feel like shit, they do help, but i still feel somewhat tired like not fully rested but functional after them, time goes by very slowly as i check my phone from time to time

@mandyjw i think i'm getting nothing meaningful because i just refuse to let go even when it starts coming back, i try to breath and move around fighting it too much, also i can't dream since i can't fall asleep

@The Awakened Viking i don't think i broke through no, at the start of the trip i remember just dropping on the floor, could not make it to bed it was just that strong when it hit me, i started seeing some white/greyish energy, which slowly changed now i remember bits and parts of these next part i'm not sure what came before or after i remember i had no location or place no space, neither time, i remember pure blanking out but conscious then i suddenly remember all these sensations, i knew everything about this place i was in, it was very familiar, a place i have been there over and over, right now i don't know anything about it in this human state, but when i was there i was so familiar with it, like i knew everything about it and i knew how it would feel if i moved some energy and i knew some strange energy vibration like language, this doesn't make sense probably because i'm poorly translating it, like i'm not sure if it was conscious movements of my space, or was i just in the body unconscious trying to move around feeling such familiar sensations of being re birthed? however it was so shocking familiar it was so scary, not my first or last time for me to sense that, then suddenly i just became pure lungs, just 2 large soft organs, i was nothing but the lungs, not even the body or spinal cord, later on i evolved and turned into my spinal cord and eventually the mind, and i was just slowly coming into consciousness as i was breathing and breathing and breathing realizing what was going on, here i freaked out and just started fighting it breathing to stay alive didn't want this anymore just wanted to go back to mundane life, i felt more appreciation to life, the thought that came by i don't want this anymore was the moment the 5meo hit me as i was falling down unconscious too fast on the floor before reaching bed which made me not want to let go for some reason, my instinct just wanted to fight back the rest of the trip was just me sitting still on the side of my bed breathing and breathing for an hour, eventually i could walk an hour and a half later, and i went a few hours just wondering later on i tried to go to bed and you know the rest from my starting post, i would just try to spend my whole day trying to get sleep since i wasn't getting any even in the mornings, was pretty much fatigued always i think my ego or mind just wants to block away thoughts about it being illusion so it continues the illusion by blinding me more from my true nature of reality, psychologically i just keep telling my self that it's a chemical and is messing with my sensory perception as i refuse to believe what happened, my ego just has too much fear, i just will pamper it and accept it as it is, i already believe in nothing and infinity/oneness anyway, and there is no right or wrong on either path that one wants to live whether deluded or awake, just trying to keep my sanity in check for now since apparently being god is too much to handle

@OBEler there were times when i was relaxed and there were times when i was just bitching why can't i just drop pure dead asleep, i have no idea how to move out of my body, although i do notice i suddenly shake like a boom sudden shake out of no where, and i wonder what is that about, is it that my body is not allowing me to fall unconscious? or is it me re-attaching myself to my body as much as fun goes, i really just want to go back to normal mundane life and sleep like a normal person this is too much for me to handle, i was not ready, letting go is against my human nature instinct all the years of personal development and spirituality was not enough to get me ready for this, perhaps my dosage was too overwhelming

thanks guys will read through links, i'm just getting mixed up not sure what's going on if this is permanent or temporary, i'm glad it sounds like it's temporary and it shall pass at first i seem to unable to recognize what is going on since i'm not even sure if it's hppd or ptsd/mild ptsd i've been listening to some positive vibes it seems to help make me feel better over worrying about it

@Leo Gura tbh all i remember is just me trying to breath and stay calm, i just lost interest in 5meo when it knocked me unconscious i just didn't like i was losing control, i'm not terrified on the trip it's just i want to return back to everyday mundane life i was actually happy with a simple life instead of all this search for ego death hence why i'm like when does my body start to feel better, sorry for the half assed grammar i'm just too tired dont feel like doing anything edit: i do remember very familar energy like body levels like patterns on what will happen next and how it would teel, it was so familiar like a long lost memory

@Leo Gura @outlandish @zikzak would melatonin help? i feel strange whenever i lie down, i don't feel like i'm resting more of a body vibration that is annoying

still didnt sleep feeling terrible what should i do

i'm still feeling the effects of it after 24hours, how long till i feel back to normal health function? i seem to need to breath deeply when i'm lying down or else i feel off like i'm tripping

@john23 how long does it take for 5meo effects to go away? i was unable to sleep last night, i tripped at 8:00 it lasted till 9:30 i've been randomly shaking up all night every 20minutes or so, not sure if it has to do with getting cold (it's not a seizure more like the soul is leaving the body kind of) how long does this last till i feel better? i still can't fall asleep@DrMobius @Leo Gura edit my 5meo was kinda brownish/yellow probably bad quality, i used white vinegar to mix it before rectal insert

@Leo Gura dude i don't know how you let go but that shits fucking scary, kudos to you i don't think i can ever let go it just was my instinct the whole time, i guess it's too early for me, i have like 45g of shrooms in the fridge that i'm thinking of throwing away next, that's how horrible my trip was, i just don't want to trip ever again i'm glad it lastes only an hour, because i've done ibogaine and my god fucking hell that shit was even worse than 5meo it made me hate myself for 2 whole days

Had a horrible 5meo dmt trip today, I just could not let go (dose was 15mg administered rectally) I'm never doing it again, Was just fighting it for an hour straight. I threw away the rest of my 5meo after the trip. Although i do feel content strangely after the trip, I feel like I just live for the moment without wanting more or less. It's all perfect.