Shaun

Really folks, what this all comes down to is, am I the only observer/experiencer in the universe? Meaning that if I throw something at someone, hug them or whatever, they only appear to feel it but don't actually as I am only imagining them to feel it? If the answer to this question is honestly yes, and I prove it true beyond all doubt through practices, I will blow my head clean off with a shotgun and be done with it. This will hopefully result in me reincarnating and forgetting all of this until I re-discover it, setting up an infinite suicide loop. If the answer is no, and I am just one of trillions of observers within the one reality and all the lovely folks and critters I see around me experience the universe just as richly as I do, then no problem. Business as usual, on with the meditations and doing what I can to make the world better. It's really as simple as that. You guys are either awesome people going about your lives, like me, even if it is all just one enormous shared dream, or you are all just illusions that I'm imagining, kind of like Rupert's cardboard cutout analogy. Please somebody out there see my point.

"There is the movie, or appearance level of the sensation of the sand which hitting the body, and there is the screen, being, sensation for having thrown something at someone. " So it's kind of like my experience and point of view of throwing and her experience and point of view of being hit with are not actually separate, they just seem to be? You're not hijacking at all if it's helping people.

I do not believe that I'm separate from anyone. Separation is my undeniable direct experience. If I chuck the sandwich I'm eating right now at my friend, I don't feel it hitting her. There is separation of some form or another at play.

For me, it's not imaginary. For Leo, it is.

I never said I wanted them to.

More people can sign up, realise their families are imaginary and then commit suicide. We need a new plague anyway so this might as well be the form it comes in.

You are a breath of fresh air around here! Welcome to the forum.

There's nothing outside of consciousness because it's everything. How is it then, I seem to be just one perspective looking around at reality, not knowing the entire universe at once? If consciousness can't know anything outside itself then surely this perspective I'm experiencing right now (which consists of a computer, desk and room) is literally all that there is as consciousness knows all? If this perspective I'm experiencing right now is not the only perspective/experience within consciousness, then how is it that I seem to be this thing looking out at reality?

That's how Leo's infinitely gigantic spiritual ego gets its kicks, by gaslighting and manipulating the vulnerable with the final goal of totally disarming their reasoning faculties so that he can profit from them in whatever way he can. This has also turned out to be even more lucrative for him as he seems to be making a killing on Patreon. On closer examination of Leo, the unconditional love he natters on about is totally absent as evidenced by the way he conducts himself in the face of criticism and scrutiny. Under Leo's worldview that all my loved ones are imaginary, which implies that they can't feel the joy of the things I do for them because they don't exist, the only legitimate course of action I can take is to stick a shotgun in my mouth and pull the trigger. Anyway guys, I'm going to have a crack at getting my business started and try and make something of my life, now that I have almost unbrainwashed myself from the utter garbage this paedophile apologist spouts ad nauseum.

I would choose smashing myself up in a car crash over some of the shit that goes down during an intense trip. I have nearly finished rebuilding my destroyed psyche and I'm not going to break it again.

It's very serious. I will do it when all my loved ones pass away so there's no issues if it fucks up.

Makes sense I suppose. ?

I am not touching any of that shit ever again. It is so dangerous and the reckless promotion of it needs to stop.

This

His gaslighting sure is hilarious.

So why make this thread if you're all alone in the universe? Who are you addressing? I am not meaning this in any condescending or obtuse tone, I'm just trying to form my own theoretical foundation by looking at other people's experiences of nonduality.

It seems to me that the opposite is true. Those of us at stage orange aren't in nihilism, most people I see are very happy, motivated and have varying degrees of purpose. Spirituality threw me deeply into nihilism and meaninglessness but that's just an ego reaction to it.

I've contemplated this some more and I think he is right in a sense. Leo is just a learned label that we apply to a collection of sounds and colours which in and of themselves are meaningless. In that sense, we create Leo, or each other. That doesn't mean that he doesn't exist though as clearly there's something there which we all agree upon. Just remember if you ask any sane person whether they exist, they will look at you like you're nuts and say yes. I've done that experiment on my friends a few times.

I would phrase it as Leo is just one expression of that infinite whole, as are we all. I'm not imagining the whole thing, but rather am imagined by it. Kind of like a cloud in the sky or wave in an ocean. That's a nicer way of explaining it to people so that they don't end up losing all motivation in life and going totally doo lally like I did last year. I'm sorry but it's just the way I see it just now. Maybe I will find out for sure one day. @Danioover9000 Notice how you just projected depression onto me?

Leo will tell people that he is an illusion that they are imagining. Literally nobody else behaves like that. The gaslighting he uses may put the reader of the statement into a solipsistic worldview and make them doubt their own sanity. Rupert, when dealing with solipsists basically makes fun of them in a humerous light hearted way by saying "I guess we are just all fake cardboard cutouts then" The way he teaches is pretty brilliant, actually.

Grow up

There seems to be one key difference between Leo and Rupert. Rupert doesn't view other people and himself as imaginary cardboard cutouts in my experience. He refutes this and instead points out that other people do have their own experience just like me. Anyone who comes to him with this worldview is politely and effectively corrected.

Last night I conducted an experiment within a lucid dream to try and find the difference between dreaming and reality. I was inside this old house where I became aware I was dreaming. At this point I went into a meditative state, looked around and noticed that everything looked as real and as vivid as it does during waking life. This frightened me deeply as this may imply the following possibilities: 1. Dreaming and reality are exactly the sme, meaning that solipsism is true and everyone are just cardboard cutouts in my experience. 2. Dreams are personal subrealities within each of our finite minds and the people within them are "cardboard cutouts" as you would expect. Those subrealities collapse when one wakes back up to the main shared reality.

Leo's just an illusion that i am imagining. Same for everything and everyone else. Might as well take a long walk off a short pier because forgetting all the shit I've learned and experienced and going back to sleep in another incarnation really is the only way. Thanks everyone but I am done here.

I'm just so confused and helpless because I experienced some aspect of truth last night. @Nahm Other people being imaginary or cardboard cutouts really doesn't feel good so should I trust my sensations or Leo because one of them is wrong here. If other people are really imaginary, that should feel really good as sensations are always in alignment with truth as you say.