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@Serotoninluv What I meant with the first part was not that I change my opinion however I want rather that in the past it has happened to me that I changed my mind about something crucial for me and it hit me right in heart, then again and again and I started to realize that the reactions were not at all "appropriate" and every time it hurt a little less and then I knew I dont have to fear it anymore.

@Serotoninluv Thanks for the input, I was asking mainly because I was wondering if I am myself transcending stage Green or not.. I think the best cure to holding positions and feeling they are part of you is to change your mind a lot of times about something important for oneself, then one has to realize that it is stupid to hold the positions so dearly because they don't really matter that much and did not make the stuff that is you.

@Inliytened1 I certainly did not experience what you did, basically I am just trying to discern two things, mythical experience and quantum mechanics which I think are still two quite different things. While quantum physics does shine some light onto the physicality of objects and how they work on fundamental and below microscopic level I think your experience shares some analogies with quantum phenomena but that is all. Quantum physics is important only on small scale not in your normal day life. When you say you collapse back from possibility into pure potential like a wave function I think you are mixing two things that don't have anything to do with each other. First of all, you are not a wave function, second of all what is "pure potential" and finally why don't we change the analogy to something like collapsing star or whatever else. Needless to say, physicists know that quantum physics is wrong, that it does not explain all of nature and that is something you should keep in mind when comparing your experience with it.

@Inliytened1 I don't think the technicalities change the point I was trying to make... the speed of the particle is still going to be in bounds, because the particle won't be faster than light for example. Of course you can get some certainty of position and some certainty of velocity, that still holds and goes directly from Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Also I think there is a huge difference between Hilbert space having infinite dimensions, which is not guaranteed, and actual physical space having infinite dimensions (which it does not have, I think). No I am not a physicist.

@Serotoninluv How would you say one discerns between somebody starting debate/conversation on orange or yellow level? What would be the immediate difference that you would spot?

@Angelo John Gage Perhaps when you talk about IQ and such you are underestimating how much effect their background has. Not just who their parents are but if they grew in rich country and so on. Actually people who come from 3rd world countries to 1st world and get properly integrated into the society do get similar to the locals, they also have less children and so on.. I think green perspective is to call for open borders while yellow perspective is to help those people in complex way, integrate them, teach them your language and show them what it is like to live in a 1st world country. You can not do this with so many people at once of course but if you help them you will benefit too.

@Inliytened1 I am sorry, I would like to discuss this further more but I do not see why over personal messages, maybe you can try to explain why and then I will consider it, I would actually like other people to also benefit from this discussion which will be only possible if it is public. @possibilities I will see where this goes

@Inliytened1 Well that is just not true. According to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle you do have some uncertainty but that does not mean that you can get any possibility or any velocity or any position.

@Inliytened1 What does infinite probability mean?

@Inliytened1 But what does quantum physics has to do with reality being mystical? Also those are two completely different things -- you realizing that reality is mystical, whatever that means, and quantum mechanics being explanation for some things but still being wrong about other, like gravity. Also my other questions which had gone without remark.

@Inliytened1 The analogy still holds you are talking about pinpointing position and velocity of matter I am talking about pinpointing which side the dice will land on and both is impossible. I am still wondering why you asked me about Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The reason for you to study the math would be to understand it deeply and from "first hand experience". I don't understand how it debunks materialism, the fact that the desk I am sitting in front of is just a collection of quantum stuff does not change the fact that it is solid thing which is for practical purposes operating just as well under normal mechanics.

Ok, well I have to say I highly doubt this, I will give you an example: I will take a dice and throw it.. before it falls down, noone knows what side it will land on but you can pretty easily say that there is 1/6 probability for any side, does the fact that you do not know what side it will land make the calculation or the probability meaningless or make it no exist as you say? No, and this is such a simple example that I don't think that logical positivists thought like that. If I cite Wikipedia: Which is very different from what you wrote about logical positivism. So for logical positivist, the information that any of the six sides has the same probability is still meaningful even though logical positivist does not know which one it will be with 100% certainty. What are the ramifications of quantum mechanics then that the physicists miss?

@Inliytened1 I am wondering why did you ask me about Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and I am also wondering if you have any comments to what I wrote earlier, justifying the original quantum mechanical question. Considering logical positivism, while I am not totally sure what the philosophy entails and I only work with what I read quickly on Wikipedia, I am not logical positivist because I believe there can be some value to statements that are not based on logic while I do think that logic is import and crucial to this discussion.

@Inliytened1 While it has nothing to do with what I wrote there.. yes I actually do deny it and to clarify my point, I can measure particle's velocity and position simultaneously it is just that there will be some uncertainty to this measurement.

Back to your original idea... quantum tunneling is pretty rare phenomenon as far as I know so no, I don't think that it would lag your device.. but the thing is that I actually cannot be sure this is the reason because I am not quantum physicist. The problem with quantum physics is that it is theme that is extremely popularized and lot of people think that they know something about it when in reality they don't, people like Deepak Chopra have been criticized exactly for this. So in my opinion it does not make so much sense to ask QM related questions on this type of forum which attracts lot of people that think they know something when in reality they might not, of course you might get a real answer here from quantum physicist or somebody with relevant expertise but it would be hard to discern between these people without checking their knowledge. So for example Leo has some videos about quantum mechanics (I did not see them) but I would not be sure if he has big enough expertise to talk about this stuff. It would really help if he brought along to his channel someone who studied it for years and they talked about it to each other, that would be great.