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Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread
Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-ThreadGabor Mate, this guy is the epitome of healthy Green, very inspiring.
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Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread
Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-ThreadLeo is exactly right about Burning Man.
I've been going to burns for 3yrs now so I speak from experience in saying Burning Man and its culture are a great way to pull yourself from Orange into Green.
Here's the founder of Burning Man, Larry Harvey, who recently passed away speaking in a 2016 interview about some of his views that inform burner culture and exemplify the Green stage of SD.
Here are the 10 Principles of Burning man that Larry wrote up in 2004 to describe what made the event special and help guide the community as it continues to grow.
Radical Inclusion
Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.
Gifting
Burning Man is devoted to acts of gift giving. The value of a gift is unconditional. Gifting does not contemplate a return or an exchange for something of equal value.
Decommodification
In order to preserve the spirit of gifting, our community seeks to create social environments that are unmediated by commercial sponsorships, transactions, or advertising. We stand ready to protect our culture from such exploitation. We resist the substitution of consumption for participatory experience.
Radical Self-reliance
Burning Man encourages the individual to discover, exercise and rely on his or her inner resources.
Radical Self-expression
Radical self-expression arises from the unique gifts of the individual. No one other than the individual or a collaborating group can determine its content. It is offered as a gift to others. In this spirit, the giver should respect the rights and liberties of the recipient.
Communal Effort
Our community values creative cooperation and collaboration. We strive to produce, promote and protect social networks, public spaces, works of art, and methods of communication that support such interaction.
Civic Responsibility
We value civil society. Community members who organize events should assume responsibility for public welfare and endeavor to communicate civic responsibilities to participants. They must also assume responsibility for conducting events in accordance with local, state and federal laws.
Leaving No Trace
Our community respects the environment. We are committed to leaving no physical trace of our activities wherever we gather. We clean up after ourselves and endeavor, whenever possible, to leave such places in a better state than when we found them.
Participation
Our community is committed to a radically participatory ethic. We believe that transformative change, whether in the individual or in society, can occur only through the medium of deeply personal participation. We achieve being through doing. Everyone is invited to work. Everyone is invited to play. We make the world real through actions that open the heart.
Immediacy
Immediate experience is, in many ways, the most important touchstone of value in our culture. We seek to overcome barriers that stand between us and a recognition of our inner selves, the reality of those around us, participation in society, and contact with a natural world exceeding human powers. No idea can substitute for this experience.
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Spiral dynamics stages in women, stage orange and relationships, etc.
Spiral dynamics stages in women, stage orange and relationships, etc.@billiesimon Girls love artistic hippie guys. They love the long-haired chaotic musician stereotype.
A Green guy can easily steal a girl away from an Orange guy. Girls want emotional connection, not your Orange logic and business-suit.
Don't confuse PUA emotional manipulation tactics with true emotional connection. PUAs are not able to build deep emotional connection. They just know how to manipulate her emotional buttons to create drama. Which works short-term, but not long-term.
And 99% of Orange guys don't know pick-up, so they are the boring logical nerd guy who cannot get laid.
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Wanting to feel like a child again
Wanting to feel like a child againSit down with a journal and break down all your beliefs by asking, "What is really true?"
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Anyone here have a psychology degree?
Anyone here have a psychology degree?I dropped out of the program in my 2nd year. Like B3N said, the theory passed to students comes from a very materialist paradigm. Basically, they teach you to see the brain has a one big machine. It's almost a biology program.
You'll also learn that everyone suffers from at least one mental illness according to the DSM-5. And what is the solution for most you ask? You guessed it, pillz baby!!! One day, a professor spent 5 minutes explaining to the class how big pharma was in bed with the American Psychiatric Association and how the DSM-5 was 95% bullshit. Had he not been the most popular professor on campus, he would've been fired. A petition from the students saved his ass...
If you are a truth seeker, you'll be left starving.
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Spiral Dynamics Stage Orange Examples Mega-Thread
Spiral Dynamics Stage Orange Examples Mega-Thread@Leo-Tzu That's actually a Yellow/Turquoise sort of mentality. Especially the last minute. He's basically describing the enlightened view of life. Very holistic thinking.
Not surprising coming from Carlin, who did LSD.
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Suicidal thoughts = ego death
Suicidal thoughts = ego deathIn my experience suicidal thoughts arise when you are in a deadlock position in life. It seems that you cannot move forward, you can't get back and the present is fucked. Then the ego fascinates about not being here any more because it's a way out of the present moment that actually preservers it for the time being. If you really are in a deadlock, the ego fears to be detected and fears to be really killed by awareness. That's why it has to play the "joker" (going meta) and fascinating about death which normally either freaks the individual out or calms the individual down because it sees a way to stop the pain the ego manifests in the deadlock.
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Spiral Dynamics is false
Spiral Dynamics is falseThis is a general warning to all keyboard-jockeys here who like to spout off uneducated and contrarian opinions. This forum is a not a place for venting your ignorance.
People who keep repeatedly spreading false information will get warnings and eventual bans.
This is not CNN, where you get to say anything you like and get away with it as though "both sides are equally right".
This post shows zero evidence that you have actually read or studied Spiral Dynamics. It's as though you are denying the theory of evolution without having bothered to study any of the scientific literature on the model.
If you want to present an intelligent critique of Spiral Dynamics, that's fine. But first show us that you've actually bothered to study it. Spiral Dynamics is a very nuanced model that requires dozens of hours of careful study to understand. Tell us which books you've read on the subject. Tell us which courses you've taken. Show us you've understood the model first, rather than advancing an ideologically-based rejection.
If you don't want to study Spiral Dynamics, that's perfectly fine. But then keep your opinions about it to yourself.
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Is Stage Green A Weird One for Men (Spiral Dynamics)?
Is Stage Green A Weird One for Men (Spiral Dynamics)?Stage Green, at least from my vantage point, comes off as feminine and weak. When you read about it, there seems to be an exorbitant amount of attention placed on emotions, pacifism, and indecision. I understand this is a necessary step to get to Stage Yellow, but I imagine for many men it must feel a little strange. Where is the strength and vitality in this mindset?
To stage Green or formerly Stage Green men, are you/were you happy with yourself and your sense of masculinity at this stage? I'm at Stage Blue for the most part, so it'd be nice to hear y'alls perspective on this topic.
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The Clare Graves Model is the Most Manipulative Thing I've Ever Heard Of
The Clare Graves Model is the Most Manipulative Thing I've Ever Heard Of@Sea A stage Yellow person is never going to revert back to stage Blue. It's sort of like leaving a cult. Once you are conscious enough, re-joining a cult cannot work on you. For example, there is no way that Albert Einstein or Barrack Obama could become an ISIS Jihadist (unless maybe his brain is damaged). It would never happen because he's too conscious for that.
You're not going to see a stage Orange society revert back to stage Red. America is never going to become a theocracy like Saudi Arabia, for example.
Etc.
Temporary regression is possible in the sense that one may still not be stabilized at one's level. For example, America leaned Green with electing Obama, and then regressed back down to Blue/Orange with electing Trump. But this was not a change in America's level of development, it was just a difference of expression. America is evolving up the Spiral. America is not going to be Blue in 100 years as much as it will be Green. So to say that there is no directionality would be very misleading. There will never be a time when slavery and Jim Crow laws get re-instated. That ship has long sailed for Americans.
When you are angry/fearful, you will express lower stages than when you are joyful and confident. So there's that additional wrinkle. For example, if America experiences a new great depression, or a nuclear attack, then the population will be angry and fearful, so they will skew more conservative, more Blue, more authoritarian.
BTW, Clare Graves' understanding of Spiral Dynamics was itself limited because he was not a nondual mystic. He didn't really understand the connection between Spiral Dynamics and Consciousness. My explanations of Spiral Dynamics are not just a parroting of someone else's theory, but my understanding of it, which is informed by my nondual experiences.
And very importantly, being at higher levels is not "good" or "better". Turquoise is no "better" than Red. At the highest levels of nonduality you will have unconditional acceptance for all stages, all "evils", all ignorance. You, as God, are EVERYTHING, with no better than, worse than, or lesser. A human is not better than an ape or a dinosaur or a pig.
Yes, Spiral Dynamics can easily be abused, like any model. As far as models go, Spiral Dynamics is a very complex and nuanced one, with lots of subtlety, which can easily be misapplied unless you study it very closely. There is a tendency to oversimplify Spiral Dynamics. To apply Spiral Dynamics properly you need to be a solid stage Yellow. Lower stages will tend to misapply it.
Is Spiral Dynamics limited? Of course.
Is Spiral Dynamics the Absolute Truth? Of course not.
Is Spiral Dynamics helpful for growing yourself and your society? Very much so, if you apply it carefully.
Can Spiral Dynamics be abused to justify all sorts of judgments and evils? Of course.
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Is Stage Green A Weird One for Men (Spiral Dynamics)?
Is Stage Green A Weird One for Men (Spiral Dynamics)?Yes, this is actually a big obstacle for men, because most men are so preoccupied with appearing alpha.
From all the criticism, judgment, and resistance that I see about Green, it feels like 50% of it is coming from males who have not sufficiently embodied their manhood, so they are insecure, and try to act macho, thereby demonizing Green.
Which is why I said about stage Blue: embrace your feminine side. This will also apply to stage Orange males. The power of embracing your feminine side is enormous.
To a juvenile man or "bro", Green will feel soft and weak.
I once recommended a Matt Kahn video to a PUA coaching client of mine who was stuck in stage Orange. It was a really important video about love. He refused to listen to the advice because Matt Kahn came off as "too soft and feminine".
The striving to be alpha and macho is really toxic.
I was basically unable to coach him out of his issues because he was so insistent on acting out Orange to the max. He just couldn't fathom the value of Green. And yet, all of the answers to his problems lay in Green and beyond.
The problem with Orange is that it's extremely shallow. There is no satisfaction to be found there.
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being aware of being aware
being aware of being awareJust focus your awareness on pure awareness itself.
It's that simple. But it requires building up a great concentration ability. One-pointed focus. The mind will struggle because awareness is empty, and the mind cannot latch onto it.
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Joseph Maynor’s Personal Development Journal Vol. 4 — Embodiment and Integration
Joseph Maynor’s Personal Development Journal Vol. 4 — Embodiment and IntegrationTHE WAY THAT YOU EASILY TAKE MASSIVE ACTION IS BY ALIGNING YOUR LIFE WITH YOUR LIFE PURPOSE
The way you push yourself way beyond your current capacity is to find your Life Purpose. This is how you take massive action that comes easy. And everybody has this; they just have to find/create it. And finding your Life Purpose is not obvious. You will take so much massive action so easily to do your Life Purpose that failure won't even phase you. Failure becomes a non-issue when you get your life aligned with your Life Purpose . Also, when you get your life aligned with your Life Purpose, you're gonna take so much action so easily, that beating yourself up for not taking action will become a non-issue. See, you need that Life Purpose; it's like the heart of your Personal Development. If your life is not aligned with a Life Purpose, you're like a system that's burning hot and moving really slow. You wanna be a system that stays nice and cool and moves fast. That's what getting your life aligned with your Life Purpose feels like.
https://www.actualized.org/life-purpose-course
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Trapped in Solipsism
Trapped in Solipsism@TylerJ You need to find ways to ground yourself. Activities like playing a sport, swimming, lifting weights, jogging, Hatha yoga, sex, going to a nightclub, hiking, mountain climbing, camping. etc.
You are too much in your head and too isolated from the world.
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Problems understanding Brains do not exist video
Problems understanding Brains do not exist videoThere is no such thing as a non-mystical phenomena. All phenomena are mystical. Science is playing a mind game. What it does is attach the word "material" to every single thing it sees and learns how to calculate. Before it is calculated it is called mystical superstitious nonsense. After it is calculated, it is called "material". Although the calculation never explains anything. It just allows you to manipulate reality.
Notice that you can learn to juggle balls no matter what they are. You can juggle oranges, peaches, apples, tennis balls, etc. The substance of the ball is irrelevant to the juggling. Science is purely in the business of juggling. It can juggle any and all phenomena, but it never knows what the substance of the thing it's juggling is. Nor will it admit that it matters.
If a ghost is photographed by a scientist today, after much resistance and make years of fighting, eventually ghosts will become reclassified as "material" things. And after a few hundred years pass, you will be thought of as crazy for doubting the existence of ghost. "Ghosts must obviously exist! It was only those fools back in the 21st century who were so closeminded as not to see them." That's what scientists of the 25th century will tell you.
The distinction between science and pseudo-science is a moving goal post. Pseudo-science is just the stuff that science hasn't successfully modeled yet. So course it cannot exist. Until we model it. Then it can't not exist.
100 years ago x-rays where considered absurd psuedo-science. Today, you would be called irresponsible if you refused to get x-rayed by your dentist.
Today parents are called crazy and dangerous for not injecting their children with bit of the plague (vaccines). 300 years ago, if you told a parent that you were going to inject their child with bits of the plague, they would have you arrested for attempted murder.
200 years ago doctors didn't wash their hands before operating on patients. When the first doctor discovered that washing hands reduces death rates in hospitals by like 90%, you know what happened? He was kicked out of the hospital and called a quack. His career with destroyed. Because no respectable doctor washed his hands 200 years ago. That was mystical nonsense. Magical germs that kill people? Only a fool would believe in such a thing.
You know what happened when Galilio tried to give his telescope to his intelligent colleagues to look up at the planet Jupiter and count its moons? They told him that only a Devil would dare to look through such a thing and believe what he saw. And then they arrested him.
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Horrifying mushroom trip turned positive
Horrifying mushroom trip turned positiveI realize what I'm about to write can be pretty alarming. Many of you are probably going to tell me I should stay away from psychedelics, but hear me out. Even though a lot of it was very dark, and potentially dangerous; I learned so much about myself from this trip. I really feel like I have direction now in my life. I'm not saying I intend to do any psychedelics in the near future, but I haven't ruled them out entirely.
At 6:15 I made tea with 3.5 grams of mushrooms. This was my third time doing them, the first two times I took 2 grams and it was very enjoyable. At the 15 minute mark I was already starting to feel it coming on. I don't even know when it started at full force, but it felt like there was a storm going on in my mind. A little detail that's kind of important - I have Chostocondritis, which causes chest/rib/back pain sometimes. Usually it's just a minor inconvenience, and not that big of a deal, but during the trip the feeling was amplified by 900,000x. I couldn't get comfortable, and I remember walking up and down the stairs in my house laying/sitting down in different places and positions.
At the peak of my trip I was laying in bed, and my mind was extremely restless and loud. I was hyper focused on the feeling happening in my body. I couldn't tell the difference between things happening in my head, and things happening outside of my head. This is when it got really dark. I actually thought about suicide. I was reaching for some way to get out of the experience, some way to avoid facing what was happening. I've NEVER considered, or thought about suicide in my life. This wasn't like some negative thought pattern that was making me feel bad about my life; it was purely crazy visuals, and uncomfortable physical sensations. I thought about how it would be over, and peaceful. I actually called the suicide hotline briefly, but hung up. During this whole thing, I had a little voice in the back of my head reassuring me that it would not last for ever, and that I would look back and be glad I didn't do anything. This was the most disturbing part of the trip, I can't believe I actually thought about suicide like this. When I woke up today, this was the hardest thing to deal with.
The second crazy thing that happened is I felt like all my vulnerabilities were out in the open. Like everyone I have in my social web that I interact with was notified of all my insecurities and fears. It wasn't just the people I knew though; it was my neighbors, it was the people at the park across the street, It was the people in the cars going by outside, I felt totally exposed. After having to face this for a while, I remember sitting up in my bed feeling like I had schizophrenia. I was mumbling random shit to myself, making weird faces, and my visual field felt like it was being moved to different snapshots around the room. Eventually it took a 180, and every time I would see a new snap shot a little bit of pressure was alleviated. Each snapshot made me careless and less about what people thought of me. It felt amazing.
At about the 5 hour mark, I was almost back down to base level; I was filled with dread. I thought that I had just ruined my life, that now I was going to have post traumatic stress disorder. I then ate 25 lbs of food and went to bed immediately.
When I woke up today, I was doing what ever I could to avoid looking at what had happened. After a couple hours I decided to face it, and broke out my journal. I've never used one, but today I learned how freaking valuable they are. I wrote out every detail I could remember about the experience. I then got out a separate piece of paper and jotted down the things that bothered me the most. I remembered that mushrooms could reflect your subconscious mind back at you, and that it can bring your deepest fears and expose you to them. I also remember hearing that the best way to make it through a bad trip is to not fight what is happening, and to surrender yourself fully to the experience.
After dissecting the things that were the most troubling I came to a few conclusions:
I always run and avoid uncomfortable experiences, which includes pretty much every social situation. This has been the case most of my life. When I had suicide going through my head, it wasn't because I felt hopeless or depressed, it was because I was so desperate to get away from something that was uncomfortable. I now have a very strong determination to look my fears in the face, and not run away. I realized that the only way for me to break out of this social anxiety is to surrender to vulnerability. Welcome it, and get used to it. And that eventually my comfort level around people will increase. I've always had a small part of me that thought I was actually insane. It's not something that I consciously think about, but the mushrooms made that glaringly obvious. I'm not entirely sure what I can learn from this yet, but at least i'm now aware of this underlying fear. It showed me the importance of taking care of my body. I don't eat terrible food, but I know I can do better. More vegetables, more water, better sleep, exercise. I feel this need to take care of future me, and be more understanding and compassionate to past me. It really made me appreciate my life and my health. I'm so happy to be alive. I won't be tripping for a while, but I haven't eliminated the possibility. I really believe there is more to learn from psychedelics, I don't want one bad experience to turn me off of them completely. I did some stuff to prepare like meditation, cleaned, cut out negative stimulation for a few days beforehand and wrote some stuff for myself that would help in case of a bad trip, but I guess it wasn't enough. If I decide to do them again I'm going to go all out, every possible safeguard I can find. And the most important thing would be to surrender to the experience, because me not accepting what was happening made it so much worse.
Also my writing ability isn't the best, but I tried.
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Letting Go by David Hawkins
Letting Go by David HawkinsSeriously, this is the only thing you need. Literally, nothing else. His shit transformed my life in ways I can't even explain. Don't distract yourself with crazy techniques and ultra-complex concepts, it's a huge waste of time.
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How did you do it, Leo?
How did you do it, Leo?@The White Belt Well, life goes on. There's not much choice. Either you choose to kill yourself or you choose to keep living. If you choose to keep living, then you might as well enjoy living. In which case, you might as well set some goals for yourself that you feel will please you and help the world. And then you discipline yourself to work on those goals and enjoy the process.
That's life in a nutshell.
Even though I know it's meaningless, I still have certain things I want to get out of life, and certain things I want to create. The creativity is for its own sake. Start doing the things you find most fascinating/beautiful. Or, if you can't do that immediately due to financial limitations, then make a strategic plan to work towards that goal. Ideally, every day should be you doing your art and enjoying the process and enjoying life. You'll need a strategic plan to actualize that. But first you need to find your life purpose (the thing you find most fascinating/beautiful).
Yes, it's challenging. Some days are difficult.
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A Tribute To Leo (VIDEO!)
A Tribute To Leo (VIDEO!)I think we should all be very grateful for what Leo has taught us. It is very easy to get caught in the illusions of society but every Sunday we get reminded at Leo-church that reality and our life is far greater than what we think. He has completely changed my life for the better and if it wasn't for his videos I don't know where I would be in life right now...
I decided to make a little video as a tribute for Leo with the best wisdoms/clips I personally like. I saved them in a folder so thought I'd make a little compilation video:
Enjoy!
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Life Purpose Strengths Assessment
Life Purpose Strengths Assessment@Afonso Maybe it is a strength of yours, but you've just totally lost touch with it? Or you discount it as unimportant or "not a good strength". Or you can't easily imagine how to utilize this strength.
Or maybe it's not right for you.
Search inside for the answer. Contemplate.
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How does one go about truly understanding oneself and psychoanalysing oneself?
How does one go about truly understanding oneself and psychoanalysing oneself?I don't know if you'll be ready for the lessons in these books yet, but I would check out The Charisma Myth by Olivia Fox Cabane, Captivate by Vanessa Van Edwards and The Solution To Social Anxiety by Dr. Aziz.
That'll give you a lot of theory to start. Many of those concepts you may not really embody for years to come, but it will at least set you down the right path.
No it's not because of your MBTI type. In fact I would be very careful not to identity too much with MBTI, remember that it's just a general model.
I've also asked myself this question about "fitting in" a lot in my life. I can remember as a teenager just being utterly confused why some kids were "cool" and other kids were clearly not.
You're a hyper logical guy. And that's okay, so am I and so is probably everybody else on this forum. That's why we've all been attracted to each other. The problem for you socially is when all you know how to do is communicate logically.
The difference between socializing and your physics exam is that there's no logical reason to socialize. Nothing to figure out, nothing to accomplish. No end goal at all.
Socializing is purely about the emotional experience of it all. We do it because it feels good.
This is actually harder than it sounds because it means letting go of attachments to agendas and the need to "get" anywhere. You have to become present.
There are other layers to this and I could go much deeper. But I would just take that and see where your mind goes for now.
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Using the new chatroulette consciously
Using the new chatroulette consciouslyThe website had a time when it was shitty for a long time (only dicks, annoying log in system) but now that's fixed, and it can be used well to learn about your emotional patterns, become comfortable with people looking at you, train your social skills, or you can actually just do self-inquiry.
https://chatroulette.com
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Trusting your Heart is the Secret No one is Telling You
Trusting your Heart is the Secret No one is Telling YouSit in a yoga pose and visualize loving energy flowing up your spine into your heart, then visualize your heart radiating love. Really feel it. This activates your heart chakra and helps open it up. Keep doing that and you will become more loving.
It also helps to bring up memories of intense beauty or love that you've experienced in the past.
You are sort of shifting your state with this technique.
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Does spirituality make you lose motivation ?
Does spirituality make you lose motivation ?Yes, it's challenging to rewire your motivations. At deep levels of consciousness you realize that everything is pointless, valueless, and meaningless. So there's really no reason to do anything. And this can feel depressing and demotivating for a while. But that's true detachment. You just have to give yourself time and find ways to ground yourself. You can build up some healthy ambitions over time which are based on a higher purpose, even though you know purpose is an invention.
It can be tricky. Make sure you give yourself time. Don't make any rash decisions or actions. And trust that if you're in a depressive funk, that will not last forever. You will pull out of it with time.
The biggest mistake people make when they are depressed is that they assume this depression will last forever. It will not.
I think the way this problem is overcome in a tradition such as Zen is through rigorous habits and discipline. After enlightenment, the laundry. It's a grounding exercise.
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Serious question
Serious questionBecause you have created and "accepted" the reality that girls do not notice you. Work on how you can change and restructure that belief system to where girls "do" notice and talk to you and eventually it happens. All starts from within.
I helped many with this simple technique because it is simply how the universe works, once you notice yourself to be truly beautiful, everything else notices you too. First you must see it yourself, then you will manifest it.
The reflection in the mirror cannot smile unless you smile first