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You take the land of a few stage red-blue savages and then go blame them for acting like savages. Purest of evil.

Why would they accept it as a country when it was literally taken from them? should the natives of America have accepted their fate, that some technologically advanced society killed them and took their land? They have every reason to hate you and your kind. They are put in an open air prison and their land has been taken from them. this is historical fact. Yet you defend the classic liberal bullshit of "oh we are morally superior they are savage" yes you would be savage too if I took your land. Israel has no right to exist. They have every right to commit violence against Israel. You will stop spreading disinformation and propaganda when people are being genocided. You're practically an agent of mossad at this point. you fill these threads with the classic vile propaganda points. You have zero right to come here and act spiritual. You are poisoning this place with your genocidal rhetoric. If some Russian came here and spread points about how Ukrainians deserve what they got they would be banned. Yet you persist here. This is your final warning. Stop now.

Palestine a fuckup by existing before Israel? Israel made it the fuckup it is. You've got a lot of things turned upside down here, buddy. You think you're edgy and cool by not giving a fuck about morals and seeing power as the metric of success, in some fascist social darwinist sense. How can you be so sick to call palestine a geopolitical fuckup when it was taken over by other people?

Wtf. Never watching Osho again. Disgusting

Source?

Nice self-deception to come with the term leftsplaining, just in time so you can defend obvious, objectively untrue drivel like this with no argument. So intelligent, yet still poisoned to the core with American individualism. It's off putting to be honest. A clear contradiction of spiral dynamics as well. You're truly lost in the sauce on this one; infected by your feelings of superiority over whiny college leftists. The future is green and the future is collective. You're just self-biased against that.

You're being childishly individualistic, a characteristic I'm accusing you of that you have yet to formulate a response to. This is classic economic liberalism a la Adam Smith, and it is not the solution but the reason we're held hostage by big polluters in the first place. You're taking for granted that we're being held hostage in a capitalist system whose owners have no real desire to fix the issues that are coming because they are only focused on the bottom line. The idea that an individual can just build a 100 billion dollar green energy company and not have the cartels come after him is laughable. The people making money now on dirty energy will be the same ones making money on green energy, if they have their will. And yes, I want the government to step up for me and the people by taking it to the big dirty energy companies. And yes, I will try to get them to do this by voting and protesting. Giving me the individual responsibility to take it out is laughable. Yes, there will be Elon Musks who will have immense impact. But comparing that with mobilizing 20% of the people is nothing. You're strawmanning social action and protest by saying "muh 100,000 college protestors." I gave you numerous examples to show that social action has been a major thing, especially in the 20th century. It's just factually incorrect the way you're stating it. The idea that all these big issues "ended in a stalemate"? what are you smoking? We are moving from orange into green so of course it will be done in a collective way. This myth of having a few knights who battle their way through the business jungle to come out on top with their green businesses and save the world with it is nothing more than that; a myth. Elon Musk is one of the few who made it. comparing him to 100k protestors is a nonsensical comparison. We're being ruined by big capital and fascists and here you go defending putting the responsibility on individual people. What's next, you're going to blame me for taking a plane and contributing to climate change? No! The collective aka the government has to do these things for me. This whole meme of individual responsibility, including stuff like "carbon footprint" is invented by big capital to obfuscate the fact they are responsible and that collective action is the only thing that can stop them. And you're peddling those ideas now. Climate change, as well as other problems will be solved collectively as we move from orange into stage green. And of course there will be a handful of exceptional individuals and businesses to guide and facilitate this growth and change. This is the proper way and the way you're peddling goes against this transition into green. I don't care you're already on yellow, this is about societies growth. And please stop taking only one sentence out of my response and only responding to that, evading the broader point I made with my entire paragraph. It comes across as extremely belittling. It's no way to have an intellectual discussion. You didn't go into the deep point I made about that social action is not only about physical outcomes but also about raising collective consciousness and collective healing, as in the example of the black radical thought video I gave. I have you backed into a corner on that one and you just don't respond to it, but only vaguely to a strawman of one of my arguments. This is no fun.

So how would you articulate what qualities Elon Musk in particular had to be successful in the businesses that he ran, and which few others also have? What kind of intelligence does he have which made him succeed? Organizational, Innovative? What was the bottleneck that made his businesses so hard to have done by others? I suspect he was very good at handling logistics and organizing teams of people. The actual technology he's not an expert in, he doesn't go into technical details. But he's like an overseer handling the business from above and somehow puzzles it together in a way few others can. Big-picture insight.

In my opinion it's unspiritual to morally justify any type of non-monogamous relationships. It's all decadent degeneracy which betrays an attachment to the worldly. If you as a man even think of letting your woman sleep with other men, you've betrayed your masculinity. The reason it's difficult is not because it's "emotional development" but because deep inside you you know it's wrong. Society would collapse if we all started to act like this.

You didn't make the point about wealth, but about social change. "business is a much more powerful mechanism of social change than political activism." Social rights movements aren't "rare cases" as well. women literally are half of society. Call me a righteous leftist, but for example black people still live under a system of global oppression, are seen as the most "low" people in collective consciousness. This is obvious once you recognize it. Social action is about more than legal rights, but also about raising collective consciousness. Outsourcing all this collective human development to capitalism and building businesses is a childish, stage orange way of looking at it in my opinion. I think this is one of the few things you are less developed in, Leo. Your individualist mindset. I know it's one of the characteristics of stage yellow but it when you're taking collective action and consciousness like this for granted it feels like you are just missing out on the insights. It's clear you don't give a fuck about much collective shit and don't like conformist movements at all. But my claim is that they are more of a feature than the bug you proclaim them to be, and a must for society to develop deeper. Annoying and surface-level as they are, collectivist movements hold a deeper esotericism than you might expect, I don't know how else to phrase it. https://youtu.be/chNl9fzE_nc?si=xWEjuOqSlxB73Ggb This is a video from a classic, leftsplaining socialist about black social action. Although he makes some of the classic leftist mistakes in his thought that you often mention, it doesn't take away from deep insights he has and thinking that he does here about society. For example, what's not so obvious to us whites is that most black people subconsciously feel inferior to other races simply for what they are born as. To heal this trauma, their collective ego has to go through a collective healing and raising of consciousness. Social action, collective thinking and emancipation is required for this. No business on its own will do it for them, although it can help tremendously of course. But just like no amount of money will heal your individual traumas or make you awaken, so does it go for collective groups.

So you're justifying your authoritarian government? I'm not at all saying socialist revolutions are the answer. I'm actually making a nuanced point here, while you and Leo are not.

You're evading the examples I provided. Women should have worked harder and smarter in the 20th century, and not marched for rights and equality? Get real. And I'm not even a socialist, but this is just centrist drivel.

With weak and inept I don't mean being hardened by life, I mean your ability and intelligence to create such businesses. And like I said, don't look at socialist action from the individualist standpoint. You would be dead if only you became socialist, but if even 20% of working people in your country organized themselves as socialists, the government would be dead. Which is precisely the reason they kill you for becoming a socialist. Classic divide and conquer.

Most people are weak and inept, because of innate and environmental factors. Not being weak and inept is for the lucky few. which means doing socialist action is their best bet. Just because you are one of the few eagles flying around who can even contemplate making a 100M business doesn't mean you can expand this idea to everyone. Moreover, eagles are only possible if there are rats walking around for them to feed on. Women didn't have rights and use socialist action to gain them. No other action or business would have done it for them.

Bullshit.

What's that hyperbole supposed to mean? some profound truth? I really don't get it, is it supposed to point at the fact that the top of people have so much money even 100M is nothing compared to it?

That doesn't mean "social change" is not possible. Also, the French Revolution destroyed more than it created? Lol. It was basically the beginning of democracy and liberalism in the west. Slave revolts are social activism as well. The general claim you made is just incorrect IMO.

Leo dissing me by calling me poor is something I never knew I wanted, but now can't imagine my life without.

"Here's the cold truth that leftists don't want to look in the face: business is a much more powerful mechanism of social change than political activism." Hard disagree. You're looking at this from an individualistic perspective. Socialists know that a few people doing activism won't do shit. The entire idea of socialist action is to rouse up all the working people and create a revolution. If 40% of working people organize and protest, the capitalist system gets overthrown in a day. I'm noticing more and more these liberal, individualist axioms and assumptions that Leo makes in his points, probably without realizing I'm suspecting this is because of his American culture-fed presumptions. The idea of "changing the world through a 100M business" is a silly idea. Not because it's not true that one individual doing that would have an astronomical impact on society compared to other individuals, clearly it does, but all individuals roused up make a 100M business look like nothing in comparison. It's also obvious that history backs up my claim, French Revolution, Russian Revolution, etc. Now, I'm not saying such revolutions lead to better outcomes, not at all. And I do think that a 100M ethical biz is the best way forward right now and not some revolution. But the idea that social change is not caused by political activism is silly to me. We've just gotten accustomed to big capital and neoliberal hegemony basically making political activism dickless. In the 20th century, socialists like the Black Panthers and Fred Hampton posed a real threat to the US state.

@Leo Gura With abandoning luxury, do you mean always opting for the frugal options like that mp3 player you posted instead of an iPod for example? The only advantage of the iPod would be that it looks better and has a better UI. Would I have dirtied my soul a bit when going for the iPod for that reason according to you? And going for a Macbook that is 4kUSD instead of a 1800USD laptop, even when the Macbook has actual use cases that make it better than the laptop, would that be luxury, since the price is so high, even when taking in account the use cases? Also take into account that some people (like me) just like the idea of luxury items. Yes it's ego driven, but I don't really see how it hinders understanding reality, apart from the time lost trying to fund them or parade them. I understand reality better than everyone I know IRL but it has nothing to do with the level of my ego.

I've been there. You need a spiritual reason not to commit suicide in my opinion. Only those reasons that your highest self holds on to can make you live through the greatest pain. Study some Buddhist and Sufi stuff. Their teachings recognize the deep poverty and pain of life and revolve a lot of their teachings around it. Leo's teachings are more about finding pure truth on one hand, and actualizing your potential / life purpose on the other hand. It doesn't really teach you how to go through shit like this. I also recommend you do some trauma healing by doing Teal Swan practices. This audio got me through it many times: And you are still young, you can still actualize success and your life purpose. But devise a strategy of life with failure in mind.

Bro are you alright? What are you talking about here?

When i see stuff like this i see the bright side of never having been in a romantic relationship

When you leosplain to us it hurts most of all.

I read this in Anthony Hopkins voice