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The following is a testimony about my personal experience with male resentment, extreme ideologies, bad epistemology, and how the love for Truth can save you from it. It started out as a reply to Leo in another thread about male resentment. I want to add before I begin, if you are 30+, you have no idea how bad the ideological and epistemological nature is of young people. It's breaking down rates you wouldn't believe. People younger than 20 are even worse, I've heard. (im 25) virtually none of them subscribe to the vanilla liberal worldview anymore. You're a loser if you do. all the "cool kids" basically believe in anti-institutional, radical rhetoric, which often has a more far-right flair to it than far-left. All the kids are listening and watching Adin Ross and the like, who are a direct pipeline to Trumpism and other forms of hate. This is all in part thanks to a true failure of the liberal hegemony, with their lies, propaganda, capitalism, zionism and hyper competitive society, without any forms of shared epistemology or spirituality. They as the elites have failed the masses. And the masses, dumb, selfish and rat-like as they are still, do recognize when the elites have failed them, subconsciously. They recognize that the level of bullshit of the liberals has reached a critical point and they're no longer capable or worthy of ruling. And they are correct in that regard; just look at the Democrat party in the US; They're not even fighting Trump, who is literally doing all kinds of fascist things and takeovers as we speak. The liberals are so cucked to capital and their own nepotism, they have ENTIRELY lost the connection to the masses. But of course they are not solely to blame. The rise of radical falsehood, the breaking down of epistemology through the internet and its bad actors. So much of our collective mental structure is being destroyed. Again, if you're above a certain age, you have no idea whats coming. People of my age are already fucked in the head and like I said, the people who are like 10 years younger than me, I.E. generation Alpha, are completely batshit insane. Not all of them of course, but a lot more than you think. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ @Leo Gura said, in response to my question about whether his stance is that women have it easier than men in life: Yeah, I agree, from my experience. I thought your post implicitly agreed with OPs sentiment that men have it harder in absolute terms. Even though I went through a lot of resentment, I realized that sex for women is not their challenge. Their challenge is being more dependent than men are on other people, always being at risk of danger, being more emotionally volatile, and being at risk of the men they are dependant on leaving them. In hindsight I wonder how I could have been so juvenile to think so selfishly. I think it's the sheer cope with the pain of being unloved, and having to accept a lonely and sexless life, that in combination of being confronted with sick and extreme ideologies that are readily found and normalized on the regular internet nowadays, spread by people who want to rile you up and exploit you for fame and cash, can send you spiraling in very dark ways and twist your mind into ways you'd never seen yourself in before. What saved me was in part my curiosity and love for truth. Even though I went far in some rabbitholes like incel, far right, and even jihadi ideologies, I was always still curious about other points of view and other ideologies. I started studying other worldviews like leftism, communism, liberalism, world history, and how all these worldviews collide and/or differ at points. Also, no matter how deep I went in the maelstrom of hate and resentment, the core of my being was yet always aware that what I was doing was not right, and more importantly not true. I always had my deepest intuition telling me that any ideology, any thought system or worldview that was based on bias and emotion is blatantly not true. It may sound juvenile to you, but when you're on the verge of suicide, ridden with resentment and hate for yourself but also the world, it's a lot harder to fight the devil and his ideologies. Sometimes it felt like, "okay, I'm going to kill myself", and I would feel the deepest sense in my bones that I would go to hell afterwards. Especially this thought is what drew me to the jihadi ideology in the latter part of my "dark arc" , since it confirms my intuition that suicide would mean hell, but provides the alternative of fighting for the state and religion, and if you die for it it's a VIP ticket to heaven, with all of the women you'd ever want. Again, I know it sounds juvenile as fuck, but I was actively fighting my suicidal ideation with it. It was demonic ideals vs demonic ideals. Ever since I've accepted and commited to that i'll never again sacrifice truth for anything, even if it means killing myself, I feel like I've been freed from ideology and ideological hate. I still feel the remnants of it, and sometimes I still say vile things online out of impulse, which I am ashamed to say. But knowing I have love for Truth, and refrain from falling into obvious bullshit, I feel a lot better about myself I guess. Even though I'm stlil a completely broken man, even if I die, at least I will die having said, "God is Truth". I remember during my most tumultuous times, not knowing what God is, but knowing that Consciousness is eternal, being so afraid and so fed up, thinking about death, hell and the afterlife, and pain throughout my entire day, almost going insane, I said to myself at a point, "Truth is my God because Truth is God. No matter my fears, Truth is my God and I place all my faith in that, no matter what happens to me or what I will do." Because even when I don't know God, or know the Truth, I know that God is Truth, because that is the only thing it can be. Even if you know nothing, the Truth is there, and falsehood is bound to vanish, and the Truth remains. Ironically, that is a quote from the Quran. It filled me with delight that after all this, Leo started sharing quotes about Truth and the love for Truth, confirming my intuitions. Not that it would have mattered, since I already made my commitment, and realized how deep something like committing to Truth really is. It literally means the death of all your bullshit and ego games if you truly commit to it, and might even mean physical death. But it still was soothing seeing an epic seeker like Leo basically coming to the same conclusions. The last thing that I'd say is that, ironically, my delving into radical ideologies did have a self-redeeming quality to it, because I went so deep into it that I so to say, "came out of the other end". What I mean by that is actually something quite profound. I will elaborate: I was so deep into it that I was basically ready to kill people. If you rile yourself up this bad, you basically come to a point where you either do that stuff, or don't, realize the horrible nature of yourself, let it all go, knowing it's all bullshit and morally abhorrent. Contrast this with what I have seen a friend of me, one of my best friends that I have known since elementary, going through. He is truly stuck in far-right ideology, but not in the furthest ends of the kind. He follows people like Sam Hyde, extremely sneaky figures who sneak in their antisemitism and radical, hateful thought, in a cynical comical fashion. They somehow rationalize their views with being capable with morals, because they don't outright advocate for the holocaust, yet still dogwhistle all the time and basically change your worldview into thinking jews run the world and all that stuff. Candace owens comes to mind, a sneaky rat who isn't a blatant outspoken nazi, but still spouts the same rhetoric. The hate is very much there in those figures, but shrouded under veils of normalcy; fooling the follower into rationalizing the hate, internalizing it, and never coming to the conclusion that you've become a horrible person. Looking at my friend and hearing what he often shares with me and my friends it's obvious he really believes in Jewish world domination and the like. It makes my stomach turn, and makes me ashamed of myself, since I also shared those memes and jokes with him in a time we were both vulnerable. But because I'm just a more extreme person, both in my evilness and goodness, that I came out of the other end, I realized how evil I was and also how Good real truth and real epistemology is. I saw through that I never really believed in all the crap with my real mind, but only because I was in so much turmoil I was basically taken over by the hate and bullshit. It hurts to see my friend, who is very high-iq, being turned in a far-right ideologue, even though we both came from liberal, well off parents, he even more than I. I don't know what kind of trauma he went through to have to latch onto this hate for the West, and to do so not in a far-leftist way but in a far-right way. I used to envy him in elementary school, because he got with the girl that I was in love with but rejected me. I always thought that I was special, that I was rightful to be hateful, more than other people. Now I see my delusion. I don't know what to do honestly. I'm thinking of, for the love of Truth and him, just aggressively try to wake him up by calling out his bullshit, giving evidence why Sam Hyde is a nazi and that it's not just liberal propaganda that he is (he literally believes that, it's honestly baffling how such a high iq person can have such a bad epistemology). Even though it might end our friendship, it's the best thing I can do. TL:DR; Falsehood is everywhere, the ego loves falsehood because of pain and emotions, God is Truth, and the love for Truth should be held onto, no matter what it means for your ego and your life.

@Leo Gura I don't like how you're simply stating that it's a "murky line" when he is literally preaching white supremacist thought. Are you one of the people who think that all ethnicities of people can be racist to eachother in the same degree even against white people? If so, I think that is unintelligent and uncalibrated to the point of making the forum a worse place. I'm not even one of those far leftists who go as far as to say racism against whites is literally impossible, but come on, we live in a society with a certain history and systems still in place. There should be some degree of wokeness in place, since if you cater to these centrist strains of thought where "people are just racist and they can just share their opinions bro" , that inevitably will be used in bad faith. Since there is a current of white supremacy in the world, to steer against that current and make the forum a neutral place there should be at least a small current of wokeness in this forum. Majed literally posts about "Oh those beautiful white people I wish I was among them" and you don't see that as problematic? I guess it's not in the spirit of you nor the forum to give him a woke sermon about that but your reply is way too uncalibrated and unintelligent IMO to the kind of garbage that he posted, to the point of cringe.

This post implies that you agree that women suffer less than men. Is this your stance?

>10.000 years ago, if you were a male, you were hunting all day with your group, you were fit, you were socializing and at night time you had sex with a female. Why are you assuming there weren't low value guys at that time that got nothing? If you look at documentaries following monkey tribes, it's clear there's always been a hierarchy with the men at the bottom getting nothing. >I'm exagerating some things here but bottom line is if you are male nowadays life is not easy for you. The most basic thing such as sex is like you are trying to climb Mountain Everest. Do you think women are also having less sex, but are just better at handling it, or is it just an increase in hypergamy? one of the two has to be true at least, or both at varying degrees, otherwise it's a logical impossibility that men are having less sex but women aren't. I'm interested in your take on it. I used to be filled with raged to my core about it, and sometimes still am, but it's just my ego making postmortem convulsions, having realized it is totally over for me. I do feel a sense of rage still, of it being so hard for men nowadays, and the disgust that women have for average men; all propaganda induced by our hyperconsumerist, hypercompetitive society. The mistake is to think it's all womens fault. It's no ones fault; just the collective ego of society doing its thing. It's no wonder figures like Andrew Tate rise up, simply filling a void of demand for a catalyst that allows a young man to sacrifice truth and morality to be more successful with money and women, if he's not dumb enough to disclose his mentality at least. It's like turning to the dark side of the force. I'm glad I didn't go through with it, although I sometimes fear that if I didn't have my disabilities and crippling anxiety and brain fog, I'd be one of the most horrible men alive, indulging in unethical business, pimping and manipulating women for sex, dominating men, all to feed my ego and distract from my deep-rooted beliefs of being unlovable and unattractive. Hell, maybe I'd even be a rapist. Probably not though, But I've seen dark depths of my soul that genuinely scare me. In that regard I'm glad God smote me with my issues, humbling my ego to degrees I've never known. My success breaking down has allowed me to hold on to my love for Truth. Getting lost in pleasure and success would have certainly driven me off that path. Although I often hear the devils voice telling me to jump off a cliff, that in the next life all will be better and I'll get everything I've ever dreamed of. The suffering and loneliness is becoming unbearable and I feel like I'm slowly but surely going mad. I don't think I'll make it here any longer; I need to get out of the city and to a remote spiritual location, out in beautiful nature; and live the rest of my days as an ascetic, renouncing all wordly pleasure. I think it's the only way to keep the Devil in the hole.

Peak soul Don't believe Morrowind runs on that lil thinkpad though

May your health get better

I bought it 2 days ago out of impulse, nostalgia and the amazing graphics. I forgot that Oblivion just plain sucked as a game and the only reason I played it as a kid was because I was cheating and modding it and just playing it as a sandbox. The actual game and world is extremely boring indeed, Skyrim was a lot better IMO Morrowind I've never really got a chance of actually playing, I had it but was way too difficult for me as a 10 year old to play, although it always had that enchanting quality to it, now that I'm older, the idea of an elder scrolls game without fast travel and map markers seems amazing Mind telling us what mods you recommend?

Got to share this new-age epistemic scoundrel: I recommend watching the entire video, Vaush's commentary is really on point IMO. Also really funny to see a materialist like Vaush ridicule stuff like this. Even though the video from Spirit Science he is commentating on is 95% full of shit, sometimes there are some truths in it, like the idea of the "lucifer experiment" of Consciousness forgetting it's oneness, I think that's actually quite a nice way of describing it, but since he's poisoning the well for 95% with the worst bullshit and pseudohistory imaginable, a materialist like Vaush would never even begin to question his materialist paradigm; in his mind, his materialist & rationalist paradigm works as an excellent filter and epistemic defense against quackery and bullshit, and so that gives all the more weight to the idea that rationalism is true. Vaush even states; "This is why I hate mysticism", in reaction to Spirit Science bullshitting about space-Hebrews and other stuff. And who can blame him? Like Vaush rightly points out, Mysticism and in fact these exact same stories about Atlanteans and the like were literally used by the Nazis to brainwash the people into rationalizing the abhorrent Nazi ideologies and actions. They claimed white Aryans were the real descendants of the Atlanteans or something and that other people were not. This way, you already create an essentialization and dehumanization of non-white people, making them ready to be slaughtered. Himmler, Hitler's second in command, and prime architect of the Holocaust, was a fervent esoteric and mystic and was also basically the high priest of the Nazi religion and lore. So because of rats like Spirit Science (I always hate when Leo uses that word but I'm getting to see why it's a good word now, there's truly no better descriptor), Mysticism is seen as only bad and superstitious. Of course we know that this isn't real mysticism at all, and that true mysticism is precisely the result of actual real skepticism and epistemology, and the marriage of rationality and intuition. But because of these new-age rats, co-opting real mystical ideas and teachings for their group-think and survival, rationalists are pushed ever further away from doing a serious inquiry into spiritual and mystical ideas. How disgusting these new-age rats really are! In my own life, I was always pushing against materialist ideas and debating materialists, breaking down their arguments and why materialism is not only false but also bad for life and society. Because that is the environment I grew up in and after discovering Consciousness and it's primordial nature (I used to be a staunch materialist myself), that is what I knew so I knew the errors in that. But these new-age rats, and in extension all religious rats are many degrees worse than materialists, even hyper-materialists like Dawkins, although he is very much a rat himself. Holy shit, this dude really makes my blood boil. Skip the video below to 52:40 , where he infiltrates a hospital to show what " "They" use to heal" , implying the abhorrent idea that "real" healing is done without such equipment but with shit like crystals and the like (He literally said he thinks hospitals should have crystals etc.). He then proceeds to infiltrate a live surgery room, dressed as a doctor, where somebody is getting surgery, and proceeds to film it. How bad your epistemology must be, and how high your arrogance and delusion, to actually just believe stuff like the Emerald Tablets ("found" by a late 19th century esoteric pseudo-archaeologist), and then preach history and the future course of humanity to your audience like you know those myths to be true, like you know everything about humanity. The arrogance and delusion of this guy is unseen. It goes so much further IMO than evangelical or wahhabist preachers who are simply religious rats. At least they are just low-iq zombie rats, preaching what other have before them. This dude is obviously relatively intelligent, yet uses it to create some sort of wahhabist version of new-age ideology in a truly stomach-turning way , and preaches it like it's nothing. The levels of self-deception of this guy are truly diabolical. By the way, I think the Emerald Tablets are actually pretty deep and cool, and even those pseudo-historical texts are very much worth a study. I'm also open to them being actually channeled and the like. And of course chances are very high that many parts of what we consider "real history" are altered and left out and the like, and that there have been true mystical, non-physical events in real history. But we'll never know, precisely because real scientific history is so hard to do. But Spirit Science takes that open-mindedness and proceeds to rape it with his crystalized spirit cock untill you're left bleeding on the floor. Sorry to use that language but that's how he makes me feel. And you'll call up Richard Dawkins to avenge you and hunt him down like Liam Neeson in Taken.

Been thinking of suicide ever since and have gotten close.I think about it every day. I've also been a weed addict for 9 years since I was 15. I quit cold turkey the 7th of January this year including quitting of cigarrettes and haven't looked back since. I was afraid of actually killing myself and not moving on in life and drug addiction was ruining me and my finances. Tbh, I'm still contemplating whether I should kill myself or not. It's already quite clear for me that this suffering will continue for the rest of my life and that I will never be truly happy in this life and always suffer to some degree. Whether that degree is a lot or less, that might vary and be slightly in my control. But I suffer everyday which I didn't before that faithful period of decay in 2023. But everytime I got close to getting on a train, to go to a cliffy area to throw myself off a cliff, I thought of two things; -my parents crying, me destroying their life because of my suicide -the idea of how wrong suicide is, that somehow morality is real and not imaginary, and that I will face judgement for it and go to hell in the afterlife. If you believe that consciousness is eternal, which I have become conscious of, suicide doesn't really help you, since your consciousness will continue anyway, it will either be good, bad or neutral. Maybe it will all be random but I have an intuition your actions do have influence on it. It got me thinking a lot about what is even the point of living if you can't be healthy and not suffer for your entire life, plus the thought of hell, got me interested in religion. This is one of my favorite audio segments for when I am losing faith: It's by an Islamic spiritual master, one of the greatest of all time, who lived in Baghdad in the middle ages. It goes deep into faith and giving up worldly pleasures for spiritual gain. It gives meaning to suffering it out and caring for others, being on the spiritual and religious path, and staying away from worldly excess. I hope some of you can appreciate this wonderful man and his teachings. this is another great one: Confronting the listener with their own inner hypocrisy and lack of integrity towards real spiritual growth and the Real. To leave you with a metaphysical, philosophical question: If all morals are imaginary, what would be the reason that so many people suffer in this life? If there are no morals (and thus no karma , not anything that can influence the next life) , it doesn't matter whether there is or isn't a next life, since no action can influence it. suicide would for many people be the best option, considering this. But this conflicts with the world and our life, namely, why would God create our life full of suffering if there is absolutely no meaning or challenge to it? God creates everything with perfect reason and doesn't let anything go to waste. So why create suffering at all if it has no meaning? that would make the escape of suffering the best possible course of action in all cases, since suffering is by itself bad (A=A), and there is nothing outside of A=A, like honor, others, judgement, that is tied to facing suffering in a less cowardly way. I would love to hear what you have to say about this philosophical question as well, @Leo Gura, since you seem to be a proponent of nihilism.

All in all, impressed by it's criticism, it's really on point.

Now I am become Fraud, destroyer of Truth

I don't like that you say "Nothing". You are demoralizing your fellow humans to care about truth, and raising your own rank by claiming that you are the only one who cares about truth. You are correct that 99.99% of human stuff doesn't care about truth. But stating it like this is not true and extremely arrogant, and disgusting, because it doesn't give to the fact that there are lots of humans who care about truth from time to time, even though it might only be a fleeting thought, even though their self-deception and survival needs overshadow these thoughts, if you claim to be a priest of truth you shouldn't demoralize your fellow humans by stating them to be unredeemable, and that you are the only one who cares about truth, like you are some kind of Gnostic priest or something, while all other humans are lost irredeemably in their games. I know how much I twist and discount the caring for truth for my selfish desires and coping mechanisms, yet I also know that I always turn back to it, because Truth is God and the most important thing in the end. I'm really dissapointed that you have taken this stance and not somehow combined a harsh stance while still leaving room for the spark inside us almost unredeemable humans that always yearns for truth. You used to have this quote about that we are moths flying to a flame of truth, no matter how misguided and selfish we are, we still yearn for truth. But you have discarded this lately and stated multiple times that you are the only one who cares about Truth. You are starting to become a parody of yourself, justifying your arrogance without end.

Sharing these childish and misogynistic statements, you don't deserve to carry your username.

Let's keep it a buck about Leo, He made many extreme claims that we are all supposed to forget about or something, and now take his logic and rationality very seriously, The pinnacle was the moment he claimed to be able to transform into a physical alien on camera, and that he only needed to find the correct camera. Let's take a moment to analyze this claim and its ramifications: -He was never able to do it -Imagine being able to do it, or at least, not being able to do it but thinking that you are (which is probably the case, which would already qualify him as being psychotic at the time), and actually contemplating putting your transformation on the internet. let's analyze this premise: (We are assuming that any vfx experts watching the video would be able to discern it's authenticity, which would be the case in an actual alien transformation) You release the video online. first, the forum community watches it in horror and disgust, and amazement, realizing they are looking at an actual video of their favorite Youtuber transforming into a real life alien. They share it everywhere around the internet, and it quickly starts to go viral. CNN and other major news networks start to pick it up and it goes insanely viral around the world. VFX experts announce its authenticity. the virality of the video starts to grow and grow and people on the news are talking about it and Leo. Everyone wants to speak to Leo because this is the craziest thing that has ever happened in the history of mankind. People start to look for him in real life and maybe even threaten him. Chaos ensues around the world. I mean, this is literally the scenario that would unfold. Total chaos. And yet he still posted about it, contemplating posting it like it would be some minor happening. Are we supposed to believe a man of his intelligence would not foresee these events? Keep it real with us Leo. Were you having an episode of psychosis at the time? and what happened with the portal that opened in your head, and the realizing of the consciousness field of the earth, and speaking with it? I believe this all happened around the 2nd half of 2022. You suddenly had these esoteric episodes, distinct from your regular Oneness awakening, God realization, metaphysical philosophy. And I mean, like I described, you literally contemplated putting out an alien transformation video like it wouldn't be the craziest thing ever shown on earth. And of course you weren't able to do it, which makes me think you went through some kind of psychosis around that time. Are we supposed to sweep all of this under the rug? You literally never explained any of these episodes any further. Never gave us an apology or nothing. It feels so blatant to talk about transforming into an alien on camera and then just never talk about it and talk about other serious philosophers like they are nothing and don't know anything, while you hold the secrets of the universe that no one else has ever figured out. It honestly feels like some master level trolling which I don't like to claim from you. I hope at least it was some kind of poison pill or something, to test us. If it wasn't, I can only expect suspect psychosis. Thinking you're getting away unscathed with sharing your alien transformation video online is more psychotic than anything Connor Murphy went through. It's a true disconnect with the realities of society and the world. It would be a literal Black Mirror episode and people would go looking and hunting for you. And this is already assuming that a transformation like that is even possible. It's disrespectful to your students to make these absolutely bizarre claims and never follow through on it or take them back. A simple explanation that you had a psychotic break would be plenty. But you never did. It's quite enraging actually.

His anarcho-capitalist business endeavors were also an attack on the people. Yet libs never talk about that as a threat, they're fine with it. Now we see what late-stage capitalism leads to, oligarchy and erasure of democracy. It has everything to with his business endeavors. You either become insanely evil like trump and musk, or so lazy and compromised to not be able to stop it like the dems. All what is happening now is the inevitable conclusion of a country like america, the Nash equilibrium of the American spirit.

@Quest Man, I envy your health. Go get em bro. I'd invest in pure mastery of the field you want to master in, since it doesn't sound like you're in any trouble in a field. invest in coaches and courses, but do extremely careful research on them before investing, some very expensive coaches might be useless.

To be real, I'd short the AI market, I think there is a big bubble. But I'm not an expert.

I'm launching my own crypto and I would like you to invest your whole 165k into it.

At the very least he killed his ego, that's what I think. He literally sat under a tree to die or "reach enlightenment". To me that would mean the ego killing itself and the human would then be free from the ego. whether that means enlightenment i don't know.

You might be right about that. However he posted whlie sober, which should mean he was not in that state. You're right that I don't know what it's like to destabilize your mind to that degree. Moreover, I'm actually really interested in supernatural things. But precisely in the supernatural should your inquiry be highly skeptical and scientific. And I just don't like the fact that he swept it under the rug like it never happened and never came back up upon it.

See this is what makes me think you never thought that you would be able to make the video. If you care about your life posting a video of yourself transforming into an alien is one of the most dangerous things you can do. It just doesn't make sense.

It's not about being a freak or human understanding, but about the world plunging into chaos upon seeing your transformation. How could you even contemplate sending it out? Being the biggest freak in the world would be detrimental to your survival. Dutch colonists used to put South African women with "freakishly" big asses in cages like they're animals in a zoo. Being a freak is not about being misunderstood by lowly humans, its about the survival of you and your family. Transforming into an alien would get you killed by evangelicals, hunting you down with guns, for in their mind they've seen a real life demon transformation. Do you really not get what I'm pointing at here?

Okay, but did you not think of the ramifications of that if it would work, that history would change in an instant, and you would be the biggest freak in the world? that people would go looking for you? If I thought I could transform into an alien, i'd keep it a secret purely for my survival. Thinking of sharing it is more bizarre than thinking you are able to do it IMO. This is my last question. I'll stop hammering about it, I understand it's not the most gentle way of going about it, but the scope of the claim does warrant this amount of scrutiny.

I haven't, but I am assuming Leo was posting while sober about his alien transformation (posting sober is a rule of the forum), so it doesn't make any difference. I'm extremely open minded but also extremely skeptical. The deconstruction of sober consensus reality is something entirely different than going through insane stuff while tripping. "That said, I myself wonder what makes the manifestation of a psychedelic state into baseline so hard, even with Leo's level of Awakenings. My current understanding is that each level of Consciousness has a certain coherence to it, accessible only from that particular state of Mind." My theory is that the body is in itself a psychedelic. The paradox of realizing that matter is unreal, on psychedelics, is that you are having such an awakening only because you ingested a certain piece of matter, namely the psychedelic chemical. this would explain why Leo doesn't understand why he always comes back even when going into entirely bodyless states. the body still exists because he is it. only upon physical death is your consciousness fully released. Leo still being alive in our dream means it'd be impossible for him to have gone fully away. What do you mean with "each level of Consciousness has a certain coherence to it, accessible only from that particular state of Mind." ? and with this "The "if Jesus/ aliens appeared, you wouldn't even know it" type thing. The dynamics between states, i.e the relative ontology, is highly non-trivial. " ? It seems like you're saying some profound stuff here, but i'm not sure how to read it.

love and empathy is scrutiny of bizarre claims that were never followed up upon. Transforming into an alien is a claim a 1000 times more bizarre than landing on the moon. Afaik, our consensus reality still beholds to the laws of physics. it's precisely what makes the dream feel real. transforming into an alien on camera would break all notions of physics and consensus reality and change history in a second. we would basically start living in an irl fantasy world. its incomparable with landing on the moon. shaming me for criticizing bizarre claims is an awful argument. I don't care the forum is free. conspiracy theories online are also free. Poison is free. I'm actually doing proper scientific inquiry here. The forum is amazing and I'm actually showing it respect by bringing up these topics.