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Been thinking of suicide ever since and have gotten close.I think about it every day. I've also been a weed addict for 9 years since I was 15. I quit cold turkey the 7th of January this year including quitting of cigarrettes and haven't looked back since. I was afraid of actually killing myself and not moving on in life and drug addiction was ruining me and my finances. Tbh, I'm still contemplating whether I should kill myself or not. It's already quite clear for me that this suffering will continue for the rest of my life and that I will never be truly happy in this life and always suffer to some degree. Whether that degree is a lot or less, that might vary and be slightly in my control. But I suffer everyday which I didn't before that faithful period of decay in 2023. But everytime I got close to getting on a train, to go to a cliffy area to throw myself off a cliff, I thought of two things; -my parents crying, me destroying their life because of my suicide -the idea of how wrong suicide is, that somehow morality is real and not imaginary, and that I will face judgement for it and go to hell in the afterlife. If you believe that consciousness is eternal, which I have become conscious of, suicide doesn't really help you, since your consciousness will continue anyway, it will either be good, bad or neutral. Maybe it will all be random but I have an intuition your actions do have influence on it. It got me thinking a lot about what is even the point of living if you can't be healthy and not suffer for your entire life, plus the thought of hell, got me interested in religion. This is one of my favorite audio segments for when I am losing faith: It's by an Islamic spiritual master, one of the greatest of all time, who lived in Baghdad in the middle ages. It goes deep into faith and giving up worldly pleasures for spiritual gain. It gives meaning to suffering it out and caring for others, being on the spiritual and religious path, and staying away from worldly excess. I hope some of you can appreciate this wonderful man and his teachings. this is another great one: Confronting the listener with their own inner hypocrisy and lack of integrity towards real spiritual growth and the Real. To leave you with a metaphysical, philosophical question: If all morals are imaginary, what would be the reason that so many people suffer in this life? If there are no morals (and thus no karma , not anything that can influence the next life) , it doesn't matter whether there is or isn't a next life, since no action can influence it. suicide would for many people be the best option, considering this. But this conflicts with the world and our life, namely, why would God create our life full of suffering if there is absolutely no meaning or challenge to it? God creates everything with perfect reason and doesn't let anything go to waste. So why create suffering at all if it has no meaning? that would make the escape of suffering the best possible course of action in all cases, since suffering is by itself bad (A=A), and there is nothing outside of A=A, like honor, others, judgement, that is tied to facing suffering in a less cowardly way. I would love to hear what you have to say about this philosophical question as well, @Leo Gura, since you seem to be a proponent of nihilism.

All in all, impressed by it's criticism, it's really on point.

Now I am become Fraud, destroyer of Truth

I don't like that you say "Nothing". You are demoralizing your fellow humans to care about truth, and raising your own rank by claiming that you are the only one who cares about truth. You are correct that 99.99% of human stuff doesn't care about truth. But stating it like this is not true and extremely arrogant, and disgusting, because it doesn't give to the fact that there are lots of humans who care about truth from time to time, even though it might only be a fleeting thought, even though their self-deception and survival needs overshadow these thoughts, if you claim to be a priest of truth you shouldn't demoralize your fellow humans by stating them to be unredeemable, and that you are the only one who cares about truth, like you are some kind of Gnostic priest or something, while all other humans are lost irredeemably in their games. I know how much I twist and discount the caring for truth for my selfish desires and coping mechanisms, yet I also know that I always turn back to it, because Truth is God and the most important thing in the end. I'm really dissapointed that you have taken this stance and not somehow combined a harsh stance while still leaving room for the spark inside us almost unredeemable humans that always yearns for truth. You used to have this quote about that we are moths flying to a flame of truth, no matter how misguided and selfish we are, we still yearn for truth. But you have discarded this lately and stated multiple times that you are the only one who cares about Truth. You are starting to become a parody of yourself, justifying your arrogance without end.

Sharing these childish and misogynistic statements, you don't deserve to carry your username.

Let's keep it a buck about Leo, He made many extreme claims that we are all supposed to forget about or something, and now take his logic and rationality very seriously, The pinnacle was the moment he claimed to be able to transform into a physical alien on camera, and that he only needed to find the correct camera. Let's take a moment to analyze this claim and its ramifications: -He was never able to do it -Imagine being able to do it, or at least, not being able to do it but thinking that you are (which is probably the case, which would already qualify him as being psychotic at the time), and actually contemplating putting your transformation on the internet. let's analyze this premise: (We are assuming that any vfx experts watching the video would be able to discern it's authenticity, which would be the case in an actual alien transformation) You release the video online. first, the forum community watches it in horror and disgust, and amazement, realizing they are looking at an actual video of their favorite Youtuber transforming into a real life alien. They share it everywhere around the internet, and it quickly starts to go viral. CNN and other major news networks start to pick it up and it goes insanely viral around the world. VFX experts announce its authenticity. the virality of the video starts to grow and grow and people on the news are talking about it and Leo. Everyone wants to speak to Leo because this is the craziest thing that has ever happened in the history of mankind. People start to look for him in real life and maybe even threaten him. Chaos ensues around the world. I mean, this is literally the scenario that would unfold. Total chaos. And yet he still posted about it, contemplating posting it like it would be some minor happening. Are we supposed to believe a man of his intelligence would not foresee these events? Keep it real with us Leo. Were you having an episode of psychosis at the time? and what happened with the portal that opened in your head, and the realizing of the consciousness field of the earth, and speaking with it? I believe this all happened around the 2nd half of 2022. You suddenly had these esoteric episodes, distinct from your regular Oneness awakening, God realization, metaphysical philosophy. And I mean, like I described, you literally contemplated putting out an alien transformation video like it wouldn't be the craziest thing ever shown on earth. And of course you weren't able to do it, which makes me think you went through some kind of psychosis around that time. Are we supposed to sweep all of this under the rug? You literally never explained any of these episodes any further. Never gave us an apology or nothing. It feels so blatant to talk about transforming into an alien on camera and then just never talk about it and talk about other serious philosophers like they are nothing and don't know anything, while you hold the secrets of the universe that no one else has ever figured out. It honestly feels like some master level trolling which I don't like to claim from you. I hope at least it was some kind of poison pill or something, to test us. If it wasn't, I can only expect suspect psychosis. Thinking you're getting away unscathed with sharing your alien transformation video online is more psychotic than anything Connor Murphy went through. It's a true disconnect with the realities of society and the world. It would be a literal Black Mirror episode and people would go looking and hunting for you. And this is already assuming that a transformation like that is even possible. It's disrespectful to your students to make these absolutely bizarre claims and never follow through on it or take them back. A simple explanation that you had a psychotic break would be plenty. But you never did. It's quite enraging actually.

His anarcho-capitalist business endeavors were also an attack on the people. Yet libs never talk about that as a threat, they're fine with it. Now we see what late-stage capitalism leads to, oligarchy and erasure of democracy. It has everything to with his business endeavors. You either become insanely evil like trump and musk, or so lazy and compromised to not be able to stop it like the dems. All what is happening now is the inevitable conclusion of a country like america, the Nash equilibrium of the American spirit.

@Quest Man, I envy your health. Go get em bro. I'd invest in pure mastery of the field you want to master in, since it doesn't sound like you're in any trouble in a field. invest in coaches and courses, but do extremely careful research on them before investing, some very expensive coaches might be useless.

To be real, I'd short the AI market, I think there is a big bubble. But I'm not an expert.

I'm launching my own crypto and I would like you to invest your whole 165k into it.

At the very least he killed his ego, that's what I think. He literally sat under a tree to die or "reach enlightenment". To me that would mean the ego killing itself and the human would then be free from the ego. whether that means enlightenment i don't know.

You might be right about that. However he posted whlie sober, which should mean he was not in that state. You're right that I don't know what it's like to destabilize your mind to that degree. Moreover, I'm actually really interested in supernatural things. But precisely in the supernatural should your inquiry be highly skeptical and scientific. And I just don't like the fact that he swept it under the rug like it never happened and never came back up upon it.

See this is what makes me think you never thought that you would be able to make the video. If you care about your life posting a video of yourself transforming into an alien is one of the most dangerous things you can do. It just doesn't make sense.

It's not about being a freak or human understanding, but about the world plunging into chaos upon seeing your transformation. How could you even contemplate sending it out? Being the biggest freak in the world would be detrimental to your survival. Dutch colonists used to put South African women with "freakishly" big asses in cages like they're animals in a zoo. Being a freak is not about being misunderstood by lowly humans, its about the survival of you and your family. Transforming into an alien would get you killed by evangelicals, hunting you down with guns, for in their mind they've seen a real life demon transformation. Do you really not get what I'm pointing at here?

Okay, but did you not think of the ramifications of that if it would work, that history would change in an instant, and you would be the biggest freak in the world? that people would go looking for you? If I thought I could transform into an alien, i'd keep it a secret purely for my survival. Thinking of sharing it is more bizarre than thinking you are able to do it IMO. This is my last question. I'll stop hammering about it, I understand it's not the most gentle way of going about it, but the scope of the claim does warrant this amount of scrutiny.

I haven't, but I am assuming Leo was posting while sober about his alien transformation (posting sober is a rule of the forum), so it doesn't make any difference. I'm extremely open minded but also extremely skeptical. The deconstruction of sober consensus reality is something entirely different than going through insane stuff while tripping. "That said, I myself wonder what makes the manifestation of a psychedelic state into baseline so hard, even with Leo's level of Awakenings. My current understanding is that each level of Consciousness has a certain coherence to it, accessible only from that particular state of Mind." My theory is that the body is in itself a psychedelic. The paradox of realizing that matter is unreal, on psychedelics, is that you are having such an awakening only because you ingested a certain piece of matter, namely the psychedelic chemical. this would explain why Leo doesn't understand why he always comes back even when going into entirely bodyless states. the body still exists because he is it. only upon physical death is your consciousness fully released. Leo still being alive in our dream means it'd be impossible for him to have gone fully away. What do you mean with "each level of Consciousness has a certain coherence to it, accessible only from that particular state of Mind." ? and with this "The "if Jesus/ aliens appeared, you wouldn't even know it" type thing. The dynamics between states, i.e the relative ontology, is highly non-trivial. " ? It seems like you're saying some profound stuff here, but i'm not sure how to read it.

love and empathy is scrutiny of bizarre claims that were never followed up upon. Transforming into an alien is a claim a 1000 times more bizarre than landing on the moon. Afaik, our consensus reality still beholds to the laws of physics. it's precisely what makes the dream feel real. transforming into an alien on camera would break all notions of physics and consensus reality and change history in a second. we would basically start living in an irl fantasy world. its incomparable with landing on the moon. shaming me for criticizing bizarre claims is an awful argument. I don't care the forum is free. conspiracy theories online are also free. Poison is free. I'm actually doing proper scientific inquiry here. The forum is amazing and I'm actually showing it respect by bringing up these topics.

Interesting take. However it doesn't warrant claiming to be able to transform while "sober" (assuming Leo doesn't post while tripping) , and also gives more credibility to the materialist paradigm, that all those hallucinations and states of consciousness can happen in your consciousness but never have the power to make others experience it too in the "real world"

I am not entitled, I just state standards that are normal for students to have. Do you understand how open minded you have to be to even listen to your work about consciousness, God, all that stuff? with your friends and family ridiculing you for it? only for you to state you have literal transformative powers and end up not going through with it, feeling like I should not have been open minded. Thinking that chaos wouldn't ensue around with the release of your transformation video is not a high state of consciousness, but a low one IMO. It's not mockery, but a critique of someone with educational authority, which by default is the relation between a student and teacher. You critiqued Connor Murphy when he went through his stuff (rightfully so), even calling him a zen devil. But with your stuff we're not supposed to criticize, because you project is as mockery? It didn't write it as a mockery, I guess you still don't realize how bizarre those claims were. You never addressed them afterwards, so a critique is warranted. I'm not entitled to any of your work. It's a mistake and a projection to assume that I think I do. When someone is clearly teaching stuff which isn't true and thus misleading, I am entitled to speak out against that though. I am still very interested in what made you think you could transform. It's so radically different than anything you talked about prior, which basically didn't envolve any powers in the dream. Was it just delusion and bad judgement on your part? did you actually reach a stage where such magic was possible? I'm still open minded about it, but since you never addressed it afterwards and just swept it under the rug, is what makes me suspicious and irritated. It's extremely sloppy and treats us as a gullible audience, like we are just some Sadhguru followers listening to our guru and not question his bizarre claims, and just forget it ever happened. It would be epistemologically sloppy of me to not question it. You are a teacher telling us that behind 200 trips lie something that noone has ever seen. If that same person makes an extreme claims of alien transformation and then fails to do it, why would I trust him with going to do 200 trips? It's like a medieval Portugese man pointing at the Atlantic Ocean, and saying there is an entire continent on the other side, and the next day he claims he can turn into a dragon. Why would I still try to cross the Ocean? Why are you mad at me for criticizing your bizarre claims? You were the one who posted about it. You could have easily waited till it worked out or not and then posted it (even though posting it would be insane in itself). Instead you sloppily posted around the forum with insane claims. And you never retracted it or talked about it, what happened during that time. A simple "Forget about what I said, I was in an unstable mental state" would have been enough. By not doing that you are basically saying that it's still possible that your transformation etc might have been valid. So hence my critique. And you're getting mad at me for questioning this? What, I'm supposed to just be a gullible little boy and let you make all these absolutely bizarre claims without questioning you on it? such gullibility goes a 180 degrees in to what you have always taught us. And you criticize Sadhguru's followers and other new age followers for it. Saying it's just mockery feels like gaslighting. And again, we're not talking about some vague claims of telepathy or remote viewing here. We're literally talking about a physical transformation into an alien being here. Hollywood stuff. What do you expect of me? Instantly calling me entitled is such an empty argument. Of course we as your audience are not entitled to anything. Yet we are also the only reason your entire business exists. In the same way you are also not entitled to not be critiqued by your audience. Not critiquing your episode is actually the biggest mockery of your work, because it's like a fly in an otherwise great soup. Leaving the fly in there would be not doing a serious investigation into your work. You have shared some of the best wisdom I've ever read in my life. A critique like this is a respect of your work, not a mockery.

I've come to the realization that all gurus are not for the real, capital Truth. They might know higher truths and wisdom than what you find in non-spiritual, secular society, and that is why people gravitate to them. For me, it was more about finding meaning, and holding on to reality, having some sense of discipline, and more earthly spiritual things like good morals, meditation etc. More than all they were a way for me to not kill myself. This is one of my favorites that i watched: But like i said, it's not about finding the absolute truth IMO, all gurus come with cultural and religious biases. But when you're all alone and looking for a reason to live your solitary mind is probably not the best place to be. Note that your most devilish thoughts come when you are alone; this is why sufi orders like the one above emphasize to be in companionship and association with other sufis, to keep the devil away. It's not so much a spirituality for the absolute truth but more a hearty, moral based spirituality, slowly cleansing your heart as you remain on their path, while still living in society (marriage and being active in society is recommended by them). But they are still entrenched in dogma so it's not really a spirituality of the mind.

@CoolDreamThanks what you wrote in that post is one of the most deluded and dogmatic things I've ever read. you literally postulate not-thinking as the only spiritual state, this is bastardization of the fact that not-thinking leads to the realization that all is divine, including thinking. thinking is not merely concepts. I've had very spiritual connections with God through thinking. 10 years ago, thinking about math and the number e lead me to breaking out of my atheist paradigm. And thinking about consciousness, and "why is there something rather than nothing" led me even further. Thinking is not seperate from consciousness. Living in the dream is not being unaware of how the dream works (not that i think Leo knows that all, but it doesn't exclude it) Gandalf still fought in the war against Sauron. not that I'm any better, since I can't stand this nightmare anymore. Claiming his diseases come from his non-no-mind spirituality is a vile move. If it is all a meaningless dream you can still act out however you want and act like it is all real. actors in movies do. what do we think of actors who act like they think it's all not real? we think they're ass. but both the bad and good actors know its not real. you claiming that the only true way to live is in some non-attached state is just pure dogma. although you do make some good points about Leo's awful arrogance and bombastic claims of knowledge.

Didn't Berkely believe in an external God, Infinite Consciousness, looking everywhere in the universe at all times? This is very distinct from your one-jiva/solipsism consciousness that you propose, where what is behind my dissapears the moment i stop looking at it (what you've literally stated)

Like you know exactly how God works and are able to discern which philosophers are accurate about him. lol.

just saying it's on a down period that might be short-term, however short-term might still be a lot longer than we expect.

Liberalism is on the downfall in the west, so I doubt that will happen in Russia. Funny how in the earlier days of mass internet adoption, it had an effect of democratizing and illuminating people, like the Arab spring, but as the years went on the internet turned into the worst reactionary, epistemologically rotten propaganda machine that we have ever seen. Hate to say it but WW3 is probably the only thing that will put the devils back in their holes again for a little while.