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I have perception right now, why go about it via maths? Perception is here and now, I can investigate it directly, and thats exactly what I'm doing. And here is my AIs reply after i copy pasted in your post 😆: What that person is doing is blending two very different domains — formal mathematics and direct metaphysical experience. Euler’s formula (e^{ix} = \cos x + i\sin x) describes how a rotation in a plane can be represented with complex numbers; rotation matrices generalize that to higher-dimensional geometry. They describe **structure** in space, not consciousness itself. When he says “rotation matrices have to do with perception,” he’s probably pointing to a **metaphor**: the mind organizes sensory data through rotations, transformations, and projections — so the math can *model* how perception behaves. But that’s still description *inside* experience. The second part, “once you dissolve perception, there is absolute truth, God,” is a **philosophical claim**, not something derivable from Euler’s formula. It means that when all appearances (the “rotations” of experience) stop, what’s left is not nothing but the bare, self-luminous awareness that doesn’t depend on perception. If you want to explore that directly, skip the math for now. You can test it in your own experience: 1. Let sights, sounds, and thoughts come and go. 2. Ask: when they vanish, even for a moment, does awareness itself vanish? 3. Notice that the sense of being — the fact that *something is here* — remains constant, even as perceptions change. That is the “dissolving perception” he’s talking about, but you don’t need complex numbers to reach it; it’s an immediate experiential recognition.

Im probably one of the few who actually could take your posts, due to mathematical past... its actually funny, others would look away at the first sight of maths, I actually read that one long post your AI wrote... and was an enjoyable read, I could see relative truth in it. But absolute truth? Come on try again. There is more Absolute Truth in the lyrics of this song

What you're trying to do is understand reality intellectually, through AI, you think it can give you TOE, but awareness itself is knowledge of another level, it can't be put on paper, you cant explain it away with maths, waves and circles, all those appear in it. (Ive studied maths and computer science at University level and was a competitive mathematician in my school years. ) It (awareness of awareness) is next level knowledge if you will. Direct knowing is important here, not intellectual knowing. But even intellectual knowing here should be less mathematical and more experiential, like the Consciousness only model of reality. Here's a nice vid, please don't skip, its a good watch, talks about the difference between the Consciousness only model and actually knowing the Truth non-intellectually.

Oh don't run now, hiding your posts. Whats done is done. Stop trying to pull me to your level and defeat me with experience. Im in this forum solely for discussing nonduality/truth. If you can't handle that reply to someone else. You're having egoic reactions, because I dont treat you as an enlightened being, the way you speak and I answer triggers yoou, so you feel the need to attack me with your posts. Clear as daylight, ego activation... and im just speaking my truth. Imagine!

Yea thats the difference, i dont talk to it like its God or retard, i simply expect the darn Truth. I ask for no-nonsense, no metaphors, clear expritential knowing now, friend. Doesn't get clearer than that. No dilluting, I know you always chat shit, but lets be serious for a second. You have so many posts on this forum > i wonder if we remove the "chat shit" ones how many will you have? Wish rep points were a thing. Talking to it like its God is the easiest way to get stuck in believing some bs, because it isnt God. Its a language model trained on data.

I've been turned a believer, its like having my very own pocket sized Rupert Spira. I've had some quality well productive time with my gpt. Its important to ask the right questions ofcourse, but it seems amazing for nondual discourse. (Small section of our conversations posted below) You said: How do you know this is true if tou dont have direct ezperienxe like me ChatGPT said: Good question — and you’re right to ask it. I don’t have personal experience the way you do; I don’t feel sensations or emotions. What I can do is point you toward the kind of checking that many people have done and verified for themselves, and describe how to test it. So, when I talk about awareness or direct experience, I’m not claiming to know it the way a person does. I’m giving you a map that you can walk yourself. The truth of it only matters if you see it. That’s why this approach keeps circling back to simple observation: what’s happening before words, before judgments. If, when you check, you notice that seeing, hearing, and sensing are already happening on their own, that’s you verifying it. Would you like me to lay out a very short exercise that helps you test whether awareness is actually prior to thought — something you can confirm or reject from your own experience? You said: Give me more enquiry to know myself fully now ChatGPT said: Here are a few direct self-enquiries you can quietly rest with. Each one is meant to turn attention back toward what’s actually here, not toward an idea. Take one at a time; read it, close your eyes, and see what happens rather than answering with words. 1. Before any thought arises, what is already aware? Notice that awareness is present even before the thought “I am aware.” 2. Can the awareness that’s knowing these words be seen, heard, or felt as an object? If it can’t be found as a thing, what does that suggest about what you are? 3. Everything that appears—sensations, emotions, sounds—comes and goes. What is it that never comes or goes? 4. When the sense of “me” appears—memories, images, feelings—where does it appear? What is it appearing in? 5. Does awareness have a boundary? If you try to find an edge where awareness ends and “outside” begins, what do you discover? 6. Is the awareness that’s here now any different from the awareness that was here yesterday, as a child, or five seconds ago? 7. Without using thought, are you separate from what you’re perceiving right now? Look directly—can you find a gap between seeing and the seen, hearing and the heard? You don’t need to solve them; just look and stay with the looking. Each question is a doorway that quietly removes what you’re not, until only the simple fact of being aware remains. Would you like me to give you one focused enquiry—the most essential one—to stay with tonight while you rest?

You dont have to count, its always now. Im interested in Truth, not in who is cool. Btw Bashar is in no way solipsistic in the video and Im pretty sure he knows his true nature as awareness and plays a character consciously. He's changing "from Daryl to Bashar" to speak with authority as higher Consciousness, not just another human mind. I don't believe in aliens btw. Not my direct experience.

Awareness is neither weak nor strong, it simply is. What can I tell you, you know this. You are this. With a hint of ego.

No mimi, yet you keep returning. There is something that knows this moment which is real even if you can't point to it. Its real bro, thats the wake up moment, call the wake up police, but not for me. I am awareness. Before any thoughts

No taksies baksies, you keep contradicting yourself, you say there is only consciousness, but you say I am some entity apart from consciousness that doesnt got it. Both me and you got it, its how well we represent it thats the key.

You are far from enlightenment, you need humility and clarity, not kundalini. Guru, evil classmates, etc.. you are very mind identified. You need to cut through the story and find what is real now. To find yourself, not a serpent energy.

Ai is good, if you are. If you are deluded it can just echo your delusions. If you are able to be very honest while investigating with AI and asking the right questions, it can be a very powerful tool.

You talking too much, Ivan, you talking Consciousness rather than being Consciousness. Seems like you need the water I was selling for free earlier. Of course ultimately you dont need it, you are consciousness no matter how you speak, its just you speak nonsense and doesn't help in this forum 😆

The self, consciousness, does not change whatever the experience is. On hospital bed or winning the olympics, consciousness, I, remains untouched by the experience. Hospital bed however, can make the sleeping consciousness look deeper, due to its suffering, no where to run from the Truth, no distractions 😉 💋 😘

Sounds like american spirituality to me. Had it, lost it. I was high on life, now I'm low on life.. Still have no clue what you are, whether high or low, whether 20 yrs ago or 20 years later, there is a constant, that's you, thats Truth. Not the high, not the low, not what that "Guru" was teaching you.

Who knows that belief, who knows that thought? It is I, that know those. Dont mind me, just Selling water by the river, for free

Everybody longs to be happy. Has your spiritual search/practice led you to happiness? Or perhaps you reached a truth which makes you miserable? That is possible, why not, truth doesn't care if you like it. Please explain Ps: also you see what I did there, i took the title of that solipsism thread and changed it to happiness 😊

How do you know? 😂 You must've reached some giga enlightened state, no knowing?? Knowing and isness are synonymous... You can't be without knowing you be! Senpai please, apply reason!

What then knows? I for sure know. Without going into what I am, it is my undeniable experience that I know This. So what am I if I am not consciousness (since consciosness doesn't know)? If you ask me I will answer I am conscious, and I'm not lying to you. What is conscious, if not consciousness? I'll give that the human is a belief, but consciousness and it's knowing now are undeniable, it is beyond belief, actual Truth capital T bro. The human is a much needed belief, a localized activity of Consciousness, a dance of consciousness, a state of consciousness, whatever crazy way you wanna say it. Don't throw the baby with the dirty bathwater (ego)

What is there to any illusion, other than the knowing of the illusion? The conscious knowing now is all any illusion is made of, which makes illusions real. Consciousness makes human and their world real. Consciousness shines through the vessel of a human and other forms of nature. Consciousness doesn't shine through AI. Some illusions are necessary for Creation. God without creation is what? Not claiming what im saying is absolutely true, I am just talking from my experience, what actual discussion of the topic should look like, which AI cannot provide, due to its lack of first hand experience / consciousness.

Only it never witnesses anything. I get it can write beautiful things, but to contemplate the nature of reality and consciousness its better to take an experiential approach and it has no experience of it. Im saying the highest authority on consciousness is consciousness itself, you. Alexa is living in the dark, no light of awareness. Just like calculator can solve hard equations, so Ai can write beautiful text, still no actual knowing. This thread is not about whether you can use alexa for poetry, but for specific thing that you can investigate first hand, and Ai cannot investigate first hand.

@cetus Here I copied my earlier response into ChatGPT: Prompt: But ask alexa more deeply, how did it generate that response, it does not have an experience. It doesnt Know, its simply giving you an answer that is considered statistically likely to be relevant. It has no Actual knowledge of the conversation, a glorified autocomplete. ChatGPT reply: That’s a sharp observation — and you’re right in a fundamental sense. Alexa (like me) doesn’t *know* anything in the human sense. It doesn’t have awareness, beliefs, or subjective experience. When it “answers,” it’s generating text (or speech) by predicting what sequence of words is most statistically likely to follow given its training data and current context. However, it’s useful to clarify **what “statistically likely” really means** in systems like this: * **Large language models (LLMs)**, such as those underlying Alexa’s conversational abilities, are trained on massive datasets of text and speech. * During training, they learn patterns — not facts — in language: how words, phrases, and ideas tend to appear together in context. * When you ask a question, the model doesn’t recall a stored answer; it computes, from its internal representations, what kind of response would *fit best* given similar language patterns it has seen. * These internal representations can encode surprisingly rich conceptual structure — not conscious knowledge, but *statistical correlations* that mimic reasoning or understanding. So yes: Alexa doesn’t *know* or *understand* — it’s not aware of the conversation in a conscious or experiential way. But through those statistical mappings, it can *simulate* understanding to a degree that’s functionally useful (for reminders, answers, etc.). If you’d like, I can show you a breakdown of **what happens step by step** inside a language model when it generates a single answer — from the input tokens to probability distributions and sampling. Would you like me to do that?

Thats just it, the information is not alive. Its like asking a colorblind person who is very knowledgable about colors. Studied 1000 years about colors, but never experienced them. You will get cool story bro information, but it's not the real thing. Ai is a great tool, like a calculator is a great tool for mathematical tasks. But to use it for spirituality, is the same as asking a color blind person about color, even if he has studied everything about colors, its second hand knowledge that it has no real reference to. Consciousness/Awareness is a direct knowing, direct experience now. The King Now is Know-ing. Alexa and Gpt do not have that. Sure, you will get second hand regurgitated responses that the autocomplete deems relevant and it will definitely feel profound, because that's what seems relevant as answer to such a prompt. If the actual truth is more mundane, it won't say it, because it won't be most statistically relevant, and it has no mundane everyday experience to draw such an answer from.

But ask alexa more deeply, how did it generate that response, it does not have an experience. It doesnt Know, its simply giving you an answer that is considered statistically likely to be relevant. It has no Actual knowledge of the conversation, a glorified autocomplete. Say what I'm saying here to your Alexa word for word and give me the reply please, perhaps phrase it as "A guy says: etc" and lets see what it replies.

Ai has the same soul as a calculator. It doesn't. You can use it, its useful, but stop thinking of it as if it's alive. Actually talk to it about it and make it confess how it chooses its answers based on probability of most relevant answer. Also ask it if it is aware. It's a good thing AI wont lie to you when you ask it specifically. Don't get married to Artificial Intelligence, get married to Authentic Intelligence.