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Consciousness IS absolute and Formless. It does not expand, its the Ego shrinks and makes an illusion of an expanding consciousness - Just like the Sun does not rise but the Earth is moving around the Sun in such a way that it creates the illusion that the Sun is rising. The Sun / Consciousness is immovable and unchanging, it's the Earth / Ego that moves and from the Earth / Ego point of view the Sun/Consciousness moves/expands, but that's just an illusion. I think this analogy is good.

That's false you can verify this with analogy with your own dream. Ofcourse its not the dream character that knows your dream at night... It's YOU, the entire dream is made of you for you and through you and you experience it through the lense of a dream character. But the knower of the dream is the ever awakened consciousness. The space in which the dream character and the dream world appears. The knower is never the dream character, although while the dream is happening it APPEARS the dream character has a reality of its own and there is a world for that dream character to explore. Knowing itself is the knower and that's you

@Mosess Let's begin with direct experience. Please verify in experience as you read. That which is seen is different to that which is heard which is different to that which is touched, felt, known etc. Now if we notice we are the root of each of these, as the Un-seen and the Un-heard - the un-touched, un-felt, un-known - "un-manifested"). All of those are the same no-thing. The no - sounds is the same as no-sight. They are not two different unmanifested fields one of which is for sound and another for touch.. It's one infinitely unifying field with absolute potential. The Un-manifested is the Consciousness / Awareness (you, you, you). Can't find a satisfying answer in the realm of the senses, what you should be doing is practice self-inquiry аnd forget about theorising about what is happening or not.

I clipped this from Leo's guided meditation video a while ago. I put it on loop on my phone when I meditate in the park and sometimes listen second and third time for real relaxation of the mind and true letting go. Really gets still and amazing at some point and just feels weightless and free. It helped me get much deeper and practicing this really hits the bee's knees! ? Download 20 min mp3 version here: https://vocaroo.com/11G9UScj3zUn (If I am not allowed to share this here for some reason please edit/delete this post) Original video - Guided Meditation - The Next Level Of Meditation

But he is, he just is showing the masculine part of Enlightenment, but there is also the silent, feminine part, the unheard, untouched, unseen and unthought. Which he can never say in words or hear, or touch or smell or think of. The un-manifested reality in which the manifested reality of perception happens. He is That so he is Enlightened and so is everyone, we are just playing roles on "21st century Earth " level of existence too and some choose their role consciously (the awakened). And everyone has Truth shining through them, our minds rigid beliefs just limit the Truth,but only until those beliefs are killed. We just need to practice self inquiry and non attachment to align and Leo gives great insights there. But to get better at anything one needs practice not just to know- hours upon hours. For true mastery. I am a beginner at most things. To be enlightened sometimes means to have a beginner mindset. I guess what I'm saying is after we unlearn we can learn again, but better.

From mercy comes courage From frugality comes generosity From humility comes leadership Now if one were bold but had no mercy, if one were broad but were not frugal, if one went ahead without humility one would die. Love vanquishes all attackers. It is impregnable in defense. When heaven wants to protect someone, does it send an army? No.. It protects him with Love. From the Tao te ching I'd say Frank Yang's expression of the divine is a bit too masculine. The type of HERE I AM, in your face enlightened. Yeah he is not lying or anything, but he will not be the leader that Leo is and can be.

Yes I would say we can speak about which body is more integrated with the Truth. And I would say that not claiming enlightenment is way more aligned with truth than claiming it. Claiming enlightenment and not claiming it however are the same, since these words mean nothing, they are in time, in the story and have nothing to do with Truth. It would be more aligned to be completely authentic to yourself, have wife and kids for example, a ukulele, being humble etc... GIving time to unimportant people without getting anything in return in order to help them and just talk -being nice... Or authenticity for you might mean to be a celibate monk... For Leo it would perhaps be to become a Zen-like master who would teach others using meta techniques that the student will only understand later on in hindsight.. "Ohhh that's why he did that/said that" Soo no I wouldnt say Frank Yang is enlightened, he is aligned with Truth thanks to his practice. As the formless Self he is always Enlightened. That's why his body can exist in the first place! But the one who practices doesnt practice to become enlightened, but to become aligned with the eternal truth. Leo is more closely aligned, I must say from my point of view, but I will never know, because I have to see it from their point of view to know truly.

Non of this matters, since no body is enlightened - there is no enlightened meat. There is One enlightened being that all bodies refer to. There is no point comparing Leo and Frank. They are both characters in waking dream. Leo is no claiming enlightenment simply because that Avatar of God has realised that the Avatar is NOT enlightened. It is the empty self that is the enlightened One. Not Leo. Leo is just a vehicle for the divine. So is Frank Yang, but they are two completely different vehicles and the light shines through differently. I've had one of the most authentic experiences with Leo, I've seen his most authentic self inside my dream, I know that God speaks through him very cleanly. Frank is cool and I like his style and energy, but seems like he doesn't understand that claiming enlightenment is one of the most non-enlightened things to do... There is absolutely no point for Leo to sit here and tell people he is enlightened. Authenticity is not something you have to tell people that you are, lmao. Same for Enlightenment.

Listen to Nofap commander Morpheus, boy!

motivation for those who mentally masturbate or otherwise

You are Jesus. Jesus is I am. The shrooms have failed you this time padawan try again. No one is better or worse than you. That's nonduality 101

Yeah yeah I mean I know Ego is identification with form, but Bruce Lee's whole thing is that you can't just be the formless selfless self, but merge the Ego and No-self and let em play together ! Hehe

<3 Eckhart Tolle does construct an ego but consciously . No Ego and he would be a plant.

Lol why are we still comparing people when we all know (I assume) that there is One consciousness. There is no Frank and no Leo. Those are dream selves. Only "real" while the waking lasts, just as your dream character is only "real" while dream lasts. Their only reality is the screen of awareness, so is yours, so is mine. But if we talk about which Avatar is more aligned with the Truth, I'd say I have to go with Leo... Because I haven't had much experience with Frank, but Leo has shown me nondual truths not only here, but also in my dreams. Next level stuff. Only Eckhart Tolle and Leo have given me nondual teachings within my dreams. So yeah I'd say Leo is more aligned, but we are all the same freaking being

or Zero... At least we know its not two

This looks very interesting to me. There certainly appears there is some sort of path. The pathless path of Awareness is just the prerequisite to begin this path. LETSGO

The shirt comes only if you are really really enlightenned

ok, Can you be enlightened since yesterday? Isn't part of realisation that you were never not enlightened, but identify with something you are not? If we are all this moment, how come your body is claiming enlightenment to other bodies who refer to the same I (the now awareness) ?

@Arzack What is the best question I can ask you? (if any) I m not trying to verify if you're enlightened, just asking if there is anything more important to ask

@Tim R life as Tim R is possible. Thats why in infinity Tim R will exist many times, every life will be lived infinity times ?

What if... Beginner mindset is God mode? What if we just clear the mind that claims victory and Godhood and the God mode is already there. Lol

The experience of gravity is happening in a neutral awareness that is free from gravity

still better than religion

@BipolarGrowth havent watched video but I will share my understanding of this. There is good and evil from perspective of a character in the waking reality. Just as there is good and evil from perspective of the character in your dreams at night. God is that in which all 3 states- waking dream and sleep happen. When the dream state is over we realise that nightmare that was evil during dream wasn't an actual reality. Was only real while the state was there, but it's reality the entire time was borrowed from the observer of the dream (you), which is absolutely neutral and empty. The same is for the waking reality. So yes, there is good and evil while the waking state is happening, just as in a dream you would run from the rabid dog chasing you, even if it's not real. It appears to be real. From God's perspective both good dreams and nightmares are illusory happenings, hallucinations. But if we take ourselves to be an object within that hallucination, everything for that object is real, because it's the same hallucination. (for a hallucination hallucinations are absolutely real as they are the same substance )

Yeah they sure are cult leaders but their cults are based on Truth. Really both of them are great to listen to for finding Truth. I don't see cults as something bad. Also Osho should be in the list hahah