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In the meditation your pointings are very Neo-advaitan. You say: "Let go of trying to become enlightened or to have any other kind of "meditative experience"., the meditative experience is always the case. Every experience is a meditative experience, because meditation is simply what is - surrender yourself completely to what is. Surrender the mind and surrender the body" @Leo Gura And I get that this is a practice in itself in the beginning and to undertake meditating to this guidance is not neo-advaitan, but the pointings themself are. PS: When you say in this meditation "This is all there is, there's nothing else" would you now respond to your old self that there is more and to stick 5meo up your but?

Sounds like literally backdooring enlightenment ? I prefer your pointings in the Next level of meditation video from 2016. Still "practicing " it and it is something way more easy to access than 5meo!

Hahaha yes ? but there is a reason, it is a very potent analogy

But ofcourse. John Smith is using Self deception to become the best version of King Lear that he can.. Otherwise he would not perform his duties as King Lear to the best of his abilities - a good actor becomes the character he plays . But if King Lear is feeling depressed and upset about something in his life he only needs to remember his true identity to fix those issues, its not necessary to fix something (do something) as King Lear, but simply to remember what he actually is. Yeah

Yeah but Im sure either Adya or Leo has said that even though it happens through grace, one can make themselves more likely to be hit by the lightning ⚡... Just like you can do things to be more likely to get hit by a real lightning even though its not in your control whether you get hit or not. Stillness of mind is one if those things for example which make it way more likely for this grace to happen. Self inquiry, true self inquiry is not a doing and it results in stillness of mind. But it begins as a mental doing for most and that is just how it has to be. Basically what you wrote in other words btw im not trying to teach you here I know how it looks. It's more for the other users, I can see that you get it.

I don't follow Jim Newman and cant really speak much about him, but I would guess that he is saying these things to point to the already enlightened self of awareness and that no practice is needed for that noself to be enlightened. However if he is being fanatical about this, then he does not understand that while the waking is happening, and we appear to be a human, we cannot stop doing. It's in the nature of the mind/body to do, it's in the nature of Awareness to be. To integrate mind and body into the awareness, the mind and body need to do something (or more like undo)... All the conditioning and patterns from unconscious programming must go before a character in the dream is so transparent that you can feel the pure essense speaking through him and as him. That's why practice is needed. But the Self is always enlightened now. It's just formless and shapeless. Just like in a dream it appears that the character is interacting with an environment, but later you realize you were never that character, you were sleeping and imagining the whole thing - so you were just as much the character as the environment and all other characters inside the dream... But this is hard to realise while being identified with the dream character - you would argue with everyone that you are that character because thats how it appears. But its just a very convincing illusion. Rupert Spira uses many analogies to demonstrate this. You should watch more of his content, not sure about the others.

@Ellenier I think I can help out with the slight confusion you experience. The way you measure enlightenment is by the peace and happiness you experience on a continuous basis, and this is achieved by Jnana ( true knowledge of the Self) - If your mind needs quieting, then you need to apply a mind quieting practice such as self- inquiry or another form of meditation. Then the teacher tells you - you must do - however eventually you understand what real meditation and self inquiry are and that they are not a doing - its not something you can seek or do - meditation is what is always the case - true meditation is allowing what is to be there with no judgement - even if there is a judgement there to have no judgement about the judgement. Basically not to add anything extra to what is. Well damn, this is always our experience. That's when the mind really quiets down, because it is no longer seeking for some special enlightened state or experience and can actually calm dufuq down. As you allow the ordinary to be without needing for it to be otherwise, you are now enlightened. For me Neo-Advaita is completely true, but misunderstood. Self inquiry practice, formal meditation practice do not in any way contradict Neo-advaita. Because when you realise you are the space in which all appearances happen, you realise you never did anything. You are not the meditator and you are not the doer. Just like you are not the dream character inside your dreams at night. And the same way while the dream lasts you act as that character, so you always appear to be doing something as this waking character. You can never escape the doing - the body will always do, that's its nature. Neo advaita is just from the perspective of the empty enlightened Self, not from the point of view of the character. Rupert Spira gives a new model of reality where we begin with consciousness rather than matter. He himself has stated that this is just a model and it makes more sense than the conventional model when you look at it open-mindedly and really contemplate it - it is in line with experience. But he said someone might come tomorrow and argue all he likes with his model, but no one can argue with the peace and the happiness. You can argue with concepts and ideas, you cannot argue with happiness and peace. What is important from Rupert's teachings is that after investigating awareness and what it is/what its being is like, we can integrate it as dream characters into our lives and live in alignment with the truth of our Being. This brings the peace and happiness from earlier. BTW to help you skip to the front of the line (but verify whether these are true with self inquiry practice), awareness allows everything within it with no judgement - things appear as clouds passing - Judgements also might appear as clouds passing, they are not something that the awareness is applying to get rid of other clouds, they are just another cloud!! So if we want to live in alignment with awareness, we need to try as human beings to become a channel for this pure allowing stillness and be without resistance to what is.

Yeah but one must not forget that this is just one step... All those experiences in awareness have no other reality to them other than that formless awareness that knows them. So after merging with all experience - all objects - with every sound, sight, thought, feeling and sensation in the present moment, one realises that they are all made out of the same knowing and they can never exist independent of that knowing. Its like the awareness is the root and all objects of experience are the different branches, leaves and fruit of the tree. But all are one tree ultimately

This is great stuff. However here you are mixing up the empty awareness with an object awareness (your mind/ego self) We all have different ego self identity but we all have the same objectless consciousness. Why and how can I be certain that your formless awareness/consciousness and my formless awareness/consciousness are the same? Well this comes not from direct experience, but from asking the simple question. Can there be two different no-things? There can exist differences only when we speak about things. EG: Your mind is different to my mind , your thoughts different to my thoughts. The empty space? "My" empty space has no location and size, "your" empty space has no location and size... Well dawg, that means they are the same space.... A thought and a sound are different appearances in awareness. But no-thought and no-sound are the very same no-thing awareness. It's the root of everything, what everything in existence is connected to.

magic pill sounds sexier. Yeah definitely, as long as there is no attachment and addiction there... But we can only talk about ourselves for such things, we never know if someone else is attached or addicted, or whether they just look like they are. SO this path and enlightenment is always about introspection. I cannot tell anything of substance about anyone else (yeah yall will say there is only one, but im talking about other bodies, not the ultimate consciousness). We can only speak with authority if we are talking about ourself and our journey. Yeah well there's the earthly achievements and then there's the heavenly achievements. The unconscious - The Earth - is the mother - fertile and pregnant with all possibilities, but not shining by itself - it needs the heavenly - the Sun - the father - to shine its light on it and give it the missing piece and we get the Ying-Yang The money and being healthy in the physical is the unconscious part of existence, and meditation +spirituality + nonattachment etc is the conscious part... Bringing the two together brings completeness and complete union I would assume. I dont know how much sense I am making, but thats that

Hey guys why are you so silent I hope its not due to relapses. Meditate guys, its all in the mind. Go out in the park and meditate!! I had a dream this night where I had ejaculated and I felt so disappointed in myself and felt so low energy - the dream was related with one of my ex girlfriends. When I woke up I felt super relieved it was all a dream and I am still going strong. Boom lets keep going, I hope you guys are silent because ur meditating, not because you're fapping off!!

Its a path of introspection. Its not important to look at others and whether they are legit enlightened. Are you enlightened? Thats the only thing that matters And btw thats not a question for you to answer me. It's just to get you introspecting.

Synchronicity works like that, the universe will do it for you if you're alligned. You will see what you need to when you need to, not necessarily on YouTube algorithm. I've had the word Celestine appear in my mind without knowing what it means. Then I found out it was a special crystal, i got the book "The celestine prophecy " and I went on to realise things about reality that my logical mind still doesn't want to accept sometimes. How the heck did it appear in my mind without knowing the word? Cant be the YouTube algorithm at work.

Well the other day I dreamt that Leo is replying to me on one thing I wrote about how consciousness does not expand, but rather ego contracts. In the dream he responded with a lot of colourful, yet telepathic language (as it is in dreams) as if he felt disappointed I couldn't understand, because people who have been here for long absorbing his "teachings" are a reflection of him as a teacher. Then in the morning I saw that he did respond, but it was less colourful, more content and he just explained to me that Im giving too much importance on the ego and Im still contemplating his response. I've had deep dreams with Leo, its not the first time, I've written the other dreams before, they were absolutely profound. The only other teacher to have manifested so well in my dreams is Eckhart Tolle, the interaction with whom was absolutely mindblowing,.. It was like having a spiritual teacher having a 1:1 session with you. For sure their representations in my dreams felt like the real thing. Their highest selves perhaps. I've felt Eckhart Tolle touch my heart in my dream and it felt so physical and real that I am not sure it was Just a dream.

Do we both agree that at this moment you either believe or do not believe that there is awareness? Well, the only way you know about this belief or lack of belief is the awareness / knowing that allows you to know that. There, you have proof of awareness, beyond belief. It is just the only way to know anything. Every thought, sound, sight, feeling and sensation appears in You. "Your experience" that you dont know whether to trust or not APPEARS IN YOU, otherwise you would not know about that "Direct experience that you cannot trust".

Im suspicious that this is a joke thread, but in any case, I have to share my favourite meditation by Leo to show that its mmmmmmmmmmmuch better https://vocaroo.com/11G9UScj3zUn

ITS THE FAPPING that is distorting your perception bro!! By fapping you are telling your system that you are sleeping with a girl every day when in fact you're not. So you will be satisfied with a fantasy. Dont waste your life force energy dawg, channel it, use it for enlightenment. Combine this with the stuff in the Consciousness/Spirituality section of this forum. Lets be real men. I applaud your try with nofap, but wish you would try again and follow some better guidance perhaps. You have to involve some spiritual practice thats for sure (if you want real results). This sex addiction might be a strong beast, but you are stronger, trust me Here's a good video Here's a 3 hour video if you really want the deep shit and to really start reprogramming that mind :

bull-shit! Thats just an excuse bro. No fap is not supposed to make you horny-er, if you do the energetic practices that you are supposed to do together with nofap you will not be this needy guy. I was needy when I was fapping bro, now I am improving so much. Nofap actually gives you the confidence to NOT be needy. Bro please look up some nofap masters on youtube and do it the right way! If anything, you need to have a "Do-nothing" meditation where you just become aware of your body and become all sensations (important thing is that you're not in your mind - the mind is the one who makes you horny) In Do-nothing meditation you allow your energies to float about your body freely and you will not have all that energy in your dick area !! Your root chakra needs healing. Dont bullshit yourself, I havent seen a single problem with nofap. Fapping is an addiction and I can tell you i am one of the biggest addicts, so I can tell you from experience that nofap together with the right practices is absolutely fantastic. I am able to see a beautiful girl and not objectify her. I think about sex LESS. Im on day 12, I'll report if there is a change. It's all in your mind. Do not blame nofap for your failure to cut the root of the thoughts that lead you to desire. PS: Not saying that you cant get horny, I would just say your standards for becoming horny get higher.

definitely I watch that channel also, all of them are great , awesome practices

Reporting a new development on my nofap journey: I have now experienced the pressurisation that the was talking about in the video. I had to actually push to get my pee out. It felt so weird! The pelvic floor exercises and energetic orbits might be helping this. I am in since the beginning of September, so it would be day 12 for me. Boom lets go! I feel like a unit, I can do way more than before. As they say in nofap comment sections : ""Day 50 - My pushups now move the earth instead of me" I definitely feel that I am better at everything... My chess rating has improved after a long stagnant period of no progress... I feel so much more clarity and ease in my life... I can see things I couldn't see before. This is amazing! I've had experience with women attraction also. I was sitting in the park and there was one older woman who looked and smiled at me then she sat to meditate. Also again an older woman tried to approach me yesterday, but I said Im busy and couldnt talk ... I made out with one girl who is, I think, very attracted... Didnt have such results before, I would've had way less energy for it to work and now things just flow! And its only day 12-13.. What the heck?

See this man, he is enlightened I've timestamped it "I know what I know and I dont know what I don't know, and Im willing to admit that" The universe does it again with the synchronicities

yeah well I'd say when you are enlightened you know that you know what you know and you know that you don't know what you don't know

Yeah well academics do not know the love that is the zero that is the infinity that you talk about, so they are the crazy ones They are just more of them so they get "confirmation bias" (not sure if im using this phrase correctly) and groupthink. If everyone around says the earth is Flat, you would be an idiot if you say otherwise. Thats how I felt in the group with my friends last night - 3 of them were not interested in anything metaphysical. One of them thinks that psychology is everything and he can figure out everything and that he knows everything. LOL He was so certain he knows everything, that even when I told him that I know something he doesnt know he was ready to defend that he knows everything. Then I told him that he doesnt know how much is 55x55 and he kept trying to guess it LMAO.... (I have trick to calculate it so I knew what it was) But yeah, I guess to be enlightened means to know that you know nothing, and to be egoic means to think you know everything

Wish that I could have people in my life that had the realisation you had. I feel like a crazy guy in my circles. Probably I need to have the wisdom, as you mentioned, not to talk about it to everyone.

@vinc3nc I had the experience of not being able to relate yesterday when I was out with a friend and two girls. They were gossiping and talking about shallow stuff. I just kept quiet and felt out of place. Am sitting there contemplating existence while my stage red friend glorifies his ego and being a hedonist ?... As he was saying "i think its best to always do what gives you pleasure" was like oh! He doesn't know what hedonism is and that he's describing that. So I tried to introduce him to this, but he just ignored me, as if deeper waters are not allowed. He was trying to impress the girls and tried his best to make me feel awkward and make me look like a fool ??⬆ but I'm no angel too, cause im hooking up with his sister (result after 7 day nofap) lolol I guess what I'm saying is you should be fine with re-entering the dream. There are so many beings who will easily bring you back to duality with their unconsciousness ? You just need to meet the right people to push your buttons and realize Wtf, this dude /gal cannot be me because they are just WTF ????