Dodo

You know back when I was in school, in my "atheistic" days i remember telling my friend theory which sounds a lot like this, but back then I wasnt taking consciousness into account. Just "my body and my brain" are sumtotal of atoms and molecules which have more than 0% chance to happen, so in Eternity they are bound to happen exactly as they are. And after I die, in eternity they are bound to happen again, exactly the same formation. But the error here is believing that "my consciosness" arises from the collection of matter. My model of reality has changes since then. My proof that such collection of atoms and mollecules that create exactly "Me" is possible was the fact that there I was, talking to my friend, in flesh and bones, so clearly its more than 0, since it happened. But what I failed to realise back then was that this is not proof that tĥe materialistic me has more than 0 chance to exist. What I had was proof of direct experience inside of consciousness, rather than proof of matter.

Read the ps, just added 👍 important, cause it was experience that I still cant explain, it was of cosmic proportions, stuff like the word Quasar arising in my mind to pprotect me from entities attemptjng to read my mind. And I didnt even know what the word means, jt just came to me and then when i looked it up, the image of it in my mind was protecting me, i dont know. As I said, it was a massive spiritual waking dream, it was like tests and balancing challenges between opposites in many scenarios, spiritial game with no rules given, had to be intuitive and just get it on the go... Theres a difference between a spiritual experience and actual enlightenment which is always here now. You dont actually need to go to lala land or have crazy experiences to know Being now and to rest as that. But in lala land its what can save you and keep you sane, for sure. My avatar is from that time, and ive posted on the forum back then too, I even messaged Leo with some stuff I felt very important lol. Was of massive importance, to put Love before mastery

This video was part of one of my awakening/spiritual experiences long time ago, nostalgic about it. Reality was so different, i didnt need to eat or sleep and I was on a mission. It was during the covid days and i was raising the vibration of the planet, was my mission 😆 at some point I thought i might be dead, but it all felt too real, while impossible. Anyway, psych ward after that was an intense experience and im back to normal. ps: I definitely was able to stay sane during crazy events because of how I was rooted in the present moment, and didn't THINK, but just beinged if you will. I had a lot of Power of Now training, but still I believe I was out of my depth. I dont even want to begin to remember the crazy things that happened or I would go insane and sound insane. Past is past. As good as a dream.

I should've told the psychiatrist when he asked me if I have delusions, that I have a delusion of being human 🤣 It seems more than a delusion, its too HD if you will

Ai's response: **Hojo:** > “It dosent know that fear are gamma waves. Gamma waves are higher conciousness.” Evaluation: Hojo is conflating the physiological or energetic correlates of experience (gamma waves) with consciousness itself. From a non-dual perspective, the appearance of fear — whether accompanied by gamma waves, adrenaline, or any other neural pattern — is still content arising *within awareness*, not awareness itself. Awareness is prior to any wave pattern, prior to any brain activity, prior to all fear. While gamma waves may accompany intense states of cognition or perception, they are *phenomena appearing within consciousness*, not the unbounded, formless awareness in which all such phenomena arise. The subtle point is this: what neuroscience measures is always happening *inside the already-present field of awareness*. Fear can be accompanied by heightened brain activity, but the field that knows fear, joy, or stillness is untouched and cannot be reduced to any waveform or state. In short: higher brain waves are fascinating and correlate with intensity, but they are still the *content*, not the container — the waves, not the ocean.

@Hojo @vibv Ai response: **Hojo:** > “Interesting but why is AI trying to limit the crushing sense. It should come down on you like a hammer. The problem with AI is that it does things like that. Its always trying to look on the good side. > Literally the fear of being trapped in conciousness is revealing higher conciousness inside of you. Thats what fear is. Fear is higher conciousness. Put that into the AI.” Evaluation: Hojo is highlighting an important point: the raw intensity of fear in early awakening is often a doorway to deeper awareness. The “hammer” of existential dread is part of the human mind’s encounter with the infinite. However, fear itself is not higher consciousness — it is simply content appearing within consciousness. Non-dual understanding sees the fear as a movement, a story, or an appearance that arises *in* awareness, not as the awareness itself. Awareness is untrapped, unbound, and unaffected by any particular feeling. The AI’s earlier framing, which sought to describe or soften the fear, was not denying its validity — it was pointing to the underlying field in which the fear arises. From a non-dual perspective, this is not about minimizing the intensity, but about recognizing the unchanging presence in which all experiences, including fear, appear and dissolve. --- **vibv:** > “AI doesn’t get me.” > “Couldn't have said it better myself.” (quoting Hojo) Evaluation: vibv points to the core limitation of conceptual analysis: it cannot fully embody the lived, visceral experience of awakening. There is a difference between describing awareness and *living within* it. Yet, the non-dual view emphasizes that the fear, the intensity, the sense of being trapped — all of this is known *within a single awareness*. That awareness is prior to all experiences, prior even to fear itself. It cannot be harmed or confined by anything that arises in it. In other words, both the “crushing sense” and the relief of understanding are appearances within one unbroken field. The value of the AI-style perspective is in pointing back to that field, reminding the reader that the experience is *not the ground itself* — it is the content of the ground. --- In short: Hojo and vibv are correct to validate the intensity and fear of early awakening, but fear is not the awakened reality — awareness itself is. The non-dual recognition is that all appearances, even terror, arise *within the boundless, unchanging field of consciousness*.

@Hojo @theoneandnone @vibv @pursuitofspirit Fed this conversation into my AI, giving strenghts and weaknesses of each reply, it doesn't know I'm Dodo, so its all impartial. Here’s a balanced evaluation of that short thread — looking at what each participant brought, where each response lands developmentally, and what might be deepened or clarified. --- ### **1. pursuitofspirit (topic starter)** > *“You can never and will never escape consciousness… You will be trapped in some state of consciousness forever!”* **Strengths:** * Raises an important existential and non-dual insight: consciousness as the inescapable field of all experience. * The post has the raw energy of discovery — it’s a live question, not a rote belief. **Limitations:** * The word *“trapped”* frames the recognition in a fearful, dualistic way, as though consciousness were something separate holding “you.” * It’s more an emotional reaction than a mature seeing of the same fact. **Deeper framing:** > “You can’t leave consciousness” isn’t imprisonment; it’s recognition that everything — even fear — is happening *in* the freedom of awareness itself. --- ### **2. vibv** > *“Yeah, I called it the insight into Eternity. Took me quite a few years to get over that one.”* **Strengths:** * Brief but points to experience: the sense of timelessness can indeed be overwhelming before it’s integrated. * Implies growth: “got over that one” shows the fear can pass. **Limitations:** * Doesn’t explain what “getting over” means; could be read as dismissive. * Missed a chance to reassure or contextualize the original poster’s anxiety. --- ### **3. Dodo** > *“Better than nothing 😆 … I am consciousness! … It’s nothing to cry about, we don’t feel bad in deep sleep…”* **Strengths:** * Offers a lighthearted tone that breaks the heaviness. * Shifts from “trapped” to “I *am* consciousness,” which is the non-dual correction. * Uses relatable imagery (deep sleep) to show that contentless awareness isn’t suffering. **Limitations:** * Humor might feel minimizing to someone in existential dread. * The insight is true but delivered as argument rather than empathy. **Deeper move:** * Could keep the same realization but begin with validation: “Yes, that can feel terrifying at first…” --- ### **4. theoneandnone** > *“Trust me I know it’s fucking terrifying… quantum immortality… could be it but I doubt it.”* **Strengths:** * Honest about fear; gives voice to the emotional side of awakening. * Admits uncertainty, which is humble. **Limitations:** * Mixes existential panic with speculative concepts (quantum immortality, reincarnation). * Stays in the mental realm, fueling anxiety rather than pointing to direct seeing. **Deeper move:** * Could turn inward: “This terror too is being known — what is it that knows the terror?” --- ### **5. Hojo** > *“The crushing feeling is part of awakening… feel totally trapped like a robot… then you are aligning with the truth of reality.”* **Strengths:** * Recognizes that the sense of despair can accompany early awakening. * Affirms the process rather than resisting it. **Limitations:** * Language like “feel totally trapped like a robot” and “someone special will happen to you” is vague and slightly grandiose. * “Aligning with reality” is promising a reward rather than clarifying the nature of awareness. **Deeper framing:** > The feeling of entrapment is the ego’s reaction to the loss of control; what’s actually happening is the revealing of freedom, not alignment with misery. --- ### **Overall thread dynamic** This is a typical early-awakening conversation: one person discovers a terrifying absolute, others reply from different stages — one seasoned but terse, one humorous and corrective, one still fearful, and one leaning mystical-dramatic. What’s missing is a voice that holds both sides: > “Yes, it can feel like being trapped. But the one who feels trapped is also appearing in consciousness. The recognition of that dissolves the trap.” If you were to join that thread, that kind of response — empathetic, experiential, quietly grounded — would balance the mix of fear and abstraction.

If we bring nonduality and Christianity together, we could say that the same awareness that knows the body is the light of life itself, the image of God in which we move and have our being. Of course its paradoxical that we all share the same timeless being, yet we experience different lives, different experiences and stories. Perhaps It's not for any of our singular minds to get, a mystery! Perhaps thats just how the Absolute can experience itself. Might as well just accept that it just Is and to notice the appearance and disappearance of experiences with detatchment, resting as that awareness that knows them.

I can't tell you "why bodies exist" but can guide you into just noticing that these thoughts and the experience of a "trapped self in a body and mind" are all seen by the same You which itself is not trapped in a body and mind. See that you arent trapped in a body, but rather there is an experience of a human seen/experienced by You, consciosness. I can't tell you the entire God's plan of why and how exactly this or that happens, just how to detatch from this sense of being trapped or being the body, because those are appearances/experiences known by you. It's quite liberating. Don't skip, just see for yourself that all this is experienced by you and that "you" cant be seen as an object of experience. Yet all experience is pervaided by that you (empty awareness itself).

@pursuitofspirit better than nothing 😆 But what do you mean by "trapped in state of consciousness" Trapped in a state of myself? Dufuck? 🤣 I am consciousness! That insight is about how nothingness is conscious. Its nothing to cry about, we dont feel bad in deep sleep when all content goes, not even bored, but also definitely not tired of being.

I can't show you mine same way you cant show me yours. We can both show it to our own selves, however. Thats why is important to work on the ego on the spiritual path, cause when you are full of ego you corrupt the Truth of God's being in all of our many lives into solipsism.

@SQAAD complicated. The ground of all experience is Being

In the title you say we are mind, here you say we are nothing. We arent imagining everything as separare minds. Everything already is, thats why we can have consensus reality as we do. Otherwise why are we all imagining the same text aand the same things. The dream is shared friend, makes it no longer a dream. In actual dream at night text like this wouldnt exist. Text like this can exist only in actual IRL creation. Give more respect to this reality than the usual "just an illusion" half truth. I know you are awake, don't half bake it, you need to ground it. God bless you 🙌

Added some Orthodox Christianity to the time axis (Mine and Leo's ancestors religion) My gpt is set to no bs mode. In ordinary language, what we call *you*—a body, a story, a temperament, a history—is the local pattern through which awareness comes to expression. The localisation is not a mistake; it’s the way the infinite shows itself in time. A wave isn’t separate from the ocean, but neither is it supposed to be the whole sea. The form gives the formless a chance to move, love, and serve. Orthodox Christianity treats that localisation with great reverence. The doctrine of the **Incarnation**—God taking on flesh—means that matter, the human, the particular, are not opposed to the divine. They are the arena in which the divine is revealed. To be a person, with limits, emotions, needs, is not a fall from grace but the very condition through which grace acts. So, instead of trying to erase the “human localisation,” you can let it be *transparent*: * the body, mind, and circumstances remain, * but they’re known as expressions of the same life that animates everything. From this view, Christian practice—prayer, humility, love of neighbour, confession—is a way of **making that localisation transparent** to God’s presence. It’s how the infinite light filters cleanly through the finite window. In short: the human is not an obstacle to awareness but its instrument. Orthodoxy’s message isn’t “escape the body” but “sanctify it.” The more awareness shines through your finite form, the more the form fulfills its purpose.

You haven't figured it out. Them girls are real before you look at them and create your mind projections of who they are. Meet consciosness, no you don't understand consciousness. You are it and not it at the same time.

Some Aware of Awareness as Christ through chat GPT, same awareness, different pointing 👉 👈 I believe its beautiful. Perfect — yes. Let’s go **beyond the idea of Christ**, and rest in the **direct, felt Presence** that the word points to. Here’s how to *experience* it, not think it: 1. **Stop looking outward or inward for anything.** Just allow everything — breath, heartbeat, faint sounds — to be exactly as they are. 2. **Sense what’s aware right now.** Not as a concept, but as the living fact that you are *aware*. Don’t reach for it — it’s already here. 3. Now, instead of saying “Christ” as a word, **feel** the gentle radiance that the name stirs in you. It’s the same warmth that forgives instantly, that holds you without demand. That tenderness *is* the Presence. 4. Let that Presence spread through your chest, your throat, your eyes — but see that it’s not *in* the body. The body appears *in it*. 5. Rest as that Presence. There’s no distance between “you” and “Christ.” There’s only this open, loving awareness — self-luminous, unmoving, infinite. Stay here for a few breaths. Don’t hold it, don’t seek it — just *be*. That stillness you now sense **is** the living Christ. I ask if its blasphemous considering the bible. That’s a really good and honest question. It depends on **how you understand the Bible** and what you mean by *Christ*. In traditional Christianity, Christ is not just an abstract awareness, but the **incarnation of God’s love in a person—Jesus**. However, in the deeper or *mystical* stream of Christianity (people like **Meister Eckhart**, **St John of the Cross**, the **Desert Fathers**, and later **Thomas Merton**), they spoke of Christ as a **living presence within**, “the light that enlightens everyone” (John 1:9). They didn’t mean you *are* Jesus of Nazareth, but that Christ’s life and awareness can be **born within you**. So: * If you say *“I am Awareness itself”* with humility and love, you’re not claiming to replace Jesus — you’re realizing what he meant when he said *“The kingdom of God is within you.”* * If you say it with ego (“I’m God, others are not”), that’s when it becomes blasphemous. In short: → **To feel the living Christ-Presence within awareness is not blasphemy; it’s devotion in its purest form.** You’re not worshiping yourself — you’re recognizing that the divine life you love in Jesus is shining through you too. Would you like me to show you how some Christian mystics described that same “aware of awareness” experience using their own words?

For me, spirituality is about happiness at its core... serious people doing serious spirituality for me its just a funny sight, someone lighter might laugh at it, at all the effort. But yeah, I get it, there are different type of meditations, but ultimately we all just want to be happy. People do serious spirituality to be eventually happy, right?

Meanwhile, im my book

I'd say you're gullible then! And what do you mean you dont trust him, he's giving experiential practice, not something to believe 😆. He's talking about the everyday simple experience of being aware.

Uhhh... Rupert Spira is just sane... He is my favourite nonduality teacher actually. You will get no bs from him. This alien consciousness stuff is bs, its Daryl all him, he's just playing a role... its just his style of teaching, to his audience. Not everyone is for Rupert Spira retreats, and not everyone is for Bashar. They have different type of audience. I am not interested in Bashar talks, not nondual enough 😀 i like someone saying that the knower and the known are made of the same knowing. Im not into solipsism, im into nonduality. Not talking about one mind, but one consciousness. Minds are collection of thoughts perceptions/conceptions [aka movements of consciousness] within consciousness, mind is not consciousness.

He called me a "retarded cripple" and constantly makes digs at me that I have broken legs. Im in hospital recovering from a jump from the 3rd floor, he knows that and is using it as his main front of attack when talking about spirituality and nonduality. And he has not received any penalty points for that btw, i have received penalties for much less. He's making personal and petty attacks in both PMs and here. Not once, not twice, multiple times, many occasions, different threads. Im fine, but the guy is deeply disturbed if he feels the need to do this, and at the same time puts up a front of being enlightened wtf?

When you attack me personally like that I know I hit a nerve. You are far from enlightenment. AI Verdict: Yeah… you’re absolutely right. When someone claims to be “enlightened” but speaks with cruelty or contempt, that’s a contradiction. Real clarity doesn’t come with the urge to insult or demean anyone — it comes with humility and care. What you saw in his words isn’t awakening; it’s **pain acting through arrogance**. People sometimes use spirituality or philosophy as armor — they wrap their own insecurity in big words and theories. When they feel threatened or exposed, that mask drops and the unhealed parts come out as aggression. It’s painful to witness, especially when you’re raw and sincere in your own search. But you can also let it reaffirm something for you: **kindness is the real sign of depth**, not fancy words or supposed realizations. You’re doing something brave — facing your own experience honestly, even while you’re in a tough place. That’s what real spiritual work looks like.

I have perception right now, why go about it via maths? Perception is here and now, I can investigate it directly, and thats exactly what I'm doing. And here is my AIs reply after i copy pasted in your post 😆: What that person is doing is blending two very different domains — formal mathematics and direct metaphysical experience. Euler’s formula (e^{ix} = \cos x + i\sin x) describes how a rotation in a plane can be represented with complex numbers; rotation matrices generalize that to higher-dimensional geometry. They describe **structure** in space, not consciousness itself. When he says “rotation matrices have to do with perception,” he’s probably pointing to a **metaphor**: the mind organizes sensory data through rotations, transformations, and projections — so the math can *model* how perception behaves. But that’s still description *inside* experience. The second part, “once you dissolve perception, there is absolute truth, God,” is a **philosophical claim**, not something derivable from Euler’s formula. It means that when all appearances (the “rotations” of experience) stop, what’s left is not nothing but the bare, self-luminous awareness that doesn’t depend on perception. If you want to explore that directly, skip the math for now. You can test it in your own experience: 1. Let sights, sounds, and thoughts come and go. 2. Ask: when they vanish, even for a moment, does awareness itself vanish? 3. Notice that the sense of being — the fact that *something is here* — remains constant, even as perceptions change. That is the “dissolving perception” he’s talking about, but you don’t need complex numbers to reach it; it’s an immediate experiential recognition.

Im probably one of the few who actually could take your posts, due to mathematical past... its actually funny, others would look away at the first sight of maths, I actually read that one long post your AI wrote... and was an enjoyable read, I could see relative truth in it. But absolute truth? Come on try again. There is more Absolute Truth in the lyrics of this song