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I am doing the inner work. But I am and always have been awake, that is a prerequisite for doing anything, not the goal for me. The very reason I can do inner work is that I am awake. I am that rock too. I am just as much the rock as I am any other visual/auditory/other perception in my field of awareness. Either I am those or I am not those, in both cases I am just as much the rock as I am the bodymind complex. I just appear to be a character that is other than the rock, but that is all a story. So if this Bodymind complex is enlightened or any other bodymind is enlightened, so is the rock and the blade of grass. There is just difference in appearance... All have the same root/isness... We are all always awake, the Heart knows that, but the mind will always keep the story up that there is more. And there is more, but its more important to love what Is deeply rather than to seek to get something else, like an exotic enlightened samadhi state to finally feel complete.

There is no path to enlightenment. The pathless path - begins and ends with Awareness. The rest is just a fruit of being, not a path to Enlightenment. Unless ofcourse that's how you label it, you are welcome to label your journey any way you wish, but I dont think infinite awareness is limited to a linear enlightenment story of the hero's journey that you propose.

Sure, I am actually talking about the Isness as enlightenment. I am saying that every-thing is doing its job perfectly. A rock is doing a perfect job at being a rock. It's enlightened. Even though it can be seen that consciousness is asleep in rocks. A fool is doing a perfect job at being a fool - he is perfectly enlightened. An "enlightened" being is also doing a perfect job at being "enlightened", so he is perfectly enlightened. It's a mystery! How can the unenlightened be perfectly enlightened? Well, because everything always is the way it is. Always. There are no mistakes. There is only isness. If it is, it is true. It is enlightened. Being a sage/mystic does not equal being enlightened in my books. Either everyone is enlightened or nobody is. There aint no other way!

@Member When we are talking about enlightenment, we are talking about authenticity. Oh yes, babies are some of the most authentic beings out there. Enlightenment is not about knowing some truth, it's about being yourself completely. And not the changing egoic image selves - no. So By your responses I see that you have some glorified state as Enlightenment, while in truth its the most natural thing. It is always here. When you speak from the heart you ARE enlightened. There is only one Heart-You. There are many other alter-egos, but only one Heart you. Thats the one who is enlightened. It's not about knowing some truth and being able to school somebody

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<3 Yes, I stand by that. Babies are enlightened. They are pure love. Have you not seen a baby? How rooted they are in being? They are so complete and whole. I think you are living up there in the mind too much. Otherwise you will see that everyone is enlightened. Everyone is love. Everyone is light (of awareness), whether they know it , have integrated it, or not.

I agree that infinity also has exactly the same qualities of 0. 0=0+0+....+0 inf = inf+ inf + .... + inf They are both concepts that break mathematics and logic so can be used as labels for that which we can never grasp with the mind. @Member One reality without a second is a good concept, but there is a reason why not-two is a better way to describe it. Otherwise it would be called Oneness. You might want to watch and get an understanding of how different stages require different pointers. Almost Everyone on this forum is enlightened (hehehe) / knows or has experienced Oneness. I know many people feel that Teal Swan is in no way an authority on the subject of spirituality, but that's just ego. Content is WAY more important than the vessel it gets communicated through. I guess what I want to say also is that this is a mystery that will remain a mystery. I know some of you guys have popped a lot of psychedellics and believe that you have reached max understanding, but that can never be reached. Understanding a mystery means you can never call it This or That, that's why a Not-two statement of reality is way more realistically correct, because it does not claim to understand or limit That mystery which it is trying to point at.

Pray to the Unmanifested formless, changeless One. Before the One-ness people come saying You are that already! No need to pray! I will just mention, that you are also the changing right now, not just the changeless. You ARE able to pray and therefore you are also the changing. While it is true at our deepest nature Now, we are ALL the formless, unchanging, unmanifested One, that selfless self "needs" YOU, the self self to acknowledge it, as that's one of the main purposes you appear to exist as a changing being (human). The changeless cannot worship itself - it can only do it through manifestation, creating someone appearing to be separate from itself. It creates the appearance of changing and form - you, the one who can perform prayer and worship. This is the ultimate prayer/worship. Why? Usually we pray for someone or a group of people. Well if we pray to the Unmanifested/ everyone's formless reality, we are performing a prayer that covers everyone and everything, since That is everyone's true nature. How to pray to the formless - First notice that you Are the formless as that Presence Now that is always there regardless of the changing perceptions and conceptions (the empty knowing of every experience). Now leverage/be ALL the objects of experience right now which are changeful and make them Acknowledge/be grateful of the "space" within which they are able to appear. Love that space, Love it with all your heart. Make every heartbeat a prayer to that Unmanifested - feel that true Love and Gratitude with every cell!! For this Unchanging is God in the story of time and You outside of time. Do not expect to receive anything from this prayer/action. Make a clear intention that you are not doing this to receive, make this an act of selfless giving to the Absolute, an act of devotion and Love. Just some intuitive insights from my meditation/prayer session today.

but the point has no dimensions!! What I mean is that by saying reality is One (Monism) we are just looking at one of the ways 0 can be seen. That is still not the Ultimate.... That's why Nonduality is a much better way to point, no?

But zero is a bit more mysterious than one... Zero can also be 0+0+0+0+.....0 , added as many times as you wish. So it can appear to be many. While 1 cannot split itself in such a way by using itself only. But zero is also nothing, so there might appear to be 1 or many but in reality there is nothing really, just 0. For zero it is correct to say : Zero is One, zero is Many and it is correct to say Zero is Not Any at all!

@Leo Gura I would argue that reality is not one, it can be said that more accurate is to say reality is zero. No?

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The real question here is why did you attract this conversation. This is all your making. Why are you getting angry/upset at a set of characters that you manifested/attracted. It's not my fault you're attracting this.

the deepest insight is you wont get the deepest insight from a forum

yeah that might be, I like it, but the guitarist is insinuating that if the mind does not hold a belief about something that Life will not manifest. Life manifests best when there are no beliefs and thoughts. The common everyday LOA user has a mind filled with neurotic mantras: LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE love love love o shit I thought of the word shit. IMEAN love love love love love LOVE LOVE LOVE LOA WORKS LOA WORKS love love love love love love Instead of being in a pieceful no-mind state, the LOA urges the unexperienced user to constantly fill their head with chatter, or they are wasting their time not manifesting anything! lol! But no-mind manifestation, when you reAlly flow with the Life and from the Heart, there is no need for any of that LOA nonsense. Truth manifests itself naturally. The Sunflower manifests seeds. No effort is required

Doesn't work like you are projecting it brother. Me saying that it is not truth is not in any way changing anything. It changes Just as much as me saying there are elves living in my back garden. God, synchronicities and the Universe work far more mysteriously than LOA. Synchronicities and other events are only that - events. Stop trying to control everything. Can't you just flow with life!? Let Life manifest and flow with it. Suuuuuurf Ps; in your world view of glorifying LoA it would mean that you are attracting this post. So why argue with it??? <3 WHY DID YOU ATTRACT THIS RESPONSE???

I think his doubt comes from experience, from his direct investigation... I don't think you can use this argument here... He gave it a shot, it didn't give fruit. Maybe for others its diffetent. I mean I get it, some people think belief creates reality, but others let reality show them what to believe. By reality I mean that which is true whether you believe it or not. I've also had mixed experiences with the Loa. But loa is not Truth. Truth is that which even doubt cannot change. For example if someone believes they can jump 20 metres into the air with no extra help, they will fail. Their belief was not in line with reality. Not their lack of faith was the problem here, it was just the reality of the situation. But if someone sees how high they can jump, they don't need to believe how high they can jump, they can just check. And then they will be able.to say: i believe I can jump about so and so metres high. And get their belief alligned with the reality if the situation - not the other way around.

Your friend's theory that Hate could also be the ultimate nature of reality also IS. Why are you not loving that? Because its incorrect? It might be incorrect, but it IS. Love it or be hypocritical. But if you're hypocritical, I guess you love that also, cause it also just is. But that takes away the higher ground you stand on when making the statement all is Love. Because what are you really against here? What you are against must be Love if all is Love. gg wp Yes there is something here which has come to mind before... I mean we dont want to do to others what we dont wish done to us... When we see they are the same... But I've thought about many times what stops someone from raping you and at the same time by the nonduality "rule" this is all Love. So the one who rapes and the one who gets raped might not be real outside of time, but within the time story there definitely are some actions and events which are not love and we know what those are - we can feel it- its our morality from within.... So when we talk about concepts that point outside of time like the PEACE THAT PASSETH understanding and the LOVE BEYOND DUALITIES, we cannot really merge those with events that are in time and say "Everything here in time is love and you can just do anything and its luv dunn worry bro"... Because in stories there are always polarities and dualities. Good and bad.... It's the nature of experience/story to have polarities and the nature of the empty self to have no polarity and duality. Lets not mix up the two too much

All stories are mind made. We were never on a nofap journey in the big picture. Everything just IS and we have no control. Only God has control, so let's surf.!!! ????

Lol!!! No don't say that. It's the ego that is hypocrite ? we are innocent as Awareness and have patience for the ego to learn to be better.

But in the relationship forum you said something among the lines of " you dont love her until you f her " ??? I guess that was about that other, romantic love. That's why the word love is confusing

Guys I failed last night, i tried to stop but had reached the point of no return. Maybe I emptied only half the sack. But important thing is not to beat myself up about it. Not going to be neurotic about this. But I continue nofap now not because its a challenge its actually something that improves my life quality. I feel headache today. They did say you can feel that after relapse. Oh well! Guys i hope you going strong, if not its ok too. Be gentle about it.

Loving way to kill yourself is to realise you are already dead. There is nothing to kill.

Before psychedelics were taken, isness is.

Strong resonance with this. Yup! Before Abraham was, isness is. But some equate the pointer isness/being with the pointer love. Meaning that both these words point to same no-thing. But its confusing sometimes what people mean, because love is used in other ways also. By using it it's kind of painting fornless Bei-ng with a pinkish brush. Not bad from point of view of the law of attraction i guess.