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No need for comebacks. Follow my advice, its a practice, a deepening. To purify the devil. This is not about conceptulaising, actually re-read what I said and do it, actually do it. Actualized do it. I am doing it as I am saying it. I am not only deviling around here. The practice is immediate, it is direct. The SElf is always here, you never experience the Self, the Self experiences YOU. Follow this pointer слушай ме брат, силно е това. Много хора остават в капан от предишно виждане. Трябва да намалим егото че мислим че знаем. Не знаем. Не знаем!! Колкото и да знаеш, не знаеш.

@Bulgarianspirit @Uglyroach Can we stop saying the word God, and instead start saying the word Self. There is more chance that you know who you are. Leave the God word out of it, its arrogant to even think you know, me included. God is just a word, but you're pointing to something bigger than your identity. Do not follow anyone in using the word God. Even IF you are God, why do you need to parade around about it? Leave it out. Its making everyone inauthentic to claim Godhood. What is more authentic is "I dont know what that I is" Dont call it God. In fact dont call it anything, just notice it, continuously, praise it, keep going back to it again and again. Follow it, give everything you own to it. Every thought, feeling, sensation - pleasure and pain - give everything to the IAM. Even and most importantly give any localized sense of self, give to the IAM which is not it! Every time you think you have IT, notice what is ever not what you're aware of yet that knows that. Always ask yourself - what is there right now that I am not seeing. I know that I am the I am, but what am I not knowing right now that I could become more and more conscious of. dont stop, dont stop dont stop you have not arrived. Nobody has arrived. Leo has not arrived. Only the Self has arrived. You are NOT the Self, you are the "devil" as you say. So listen to me, let me be the Angel's advocate. Dont assume to know what God is.

Yeah but I think I am being direct enough because I kind of know things like " The truth shall set you free" and he is stuck in belief so he might see what this points to. He takes the scripture for truth. He told me that for every paper tower I give him, he makes a castle made of rock or something of that sort, so I told him that no castle that he makes can be bigger than the space in which it appears. lol! I mean from my point of view I dont want my friend to be stuck with this close mindedness, but on the other hand I feel like a jerk for doing this as if Im trying to come out right. I am not really , I want to help him. Maybe he doesn't need help. Oh well! Whatever happens happens, I give that also to the isness. thankfully I can share with someone, I can only imagine someone in the old days who was surrounded by fundamentalists and had a direct experience... For one, he would most likely be put on the cross... In the name of Jesus...! How twisted... Sorry if I rant a bit, my mind was a bit rattled by this encounter. Need to center myself and get more space in <3 love you guys and love the mind-guys too (for the challenge) !

@SoonHei Yeah lol! He also told me that Eckhart Tolle is a charlatan and is "attacking people" just to deny the isness of the present moment. It was almost as if our chat was a fight between the heart and the mind that cannot center itself in the moment. He told me that the heart is not to be trusted, because it is a sinner's heart and was saying how 2000 years of revelation written in the bible cannot be wrong and he was constantly denying any quotes from Jesus which in any way point to the present moment or consciousness, by saying that it is used "out of context" and that I only take what I like to fit my agenda. I told him timeless now is way more powerful than 2000 years of conditioning and that the realm beyond space and time (which he does believe in) can not be encapsulated even by 2000 years as 2000 years is nothing compared to the eternal

@Preety_India this vid showed up for me without searching for it, it could probably be what you need to get you going. Practice is important for this, we all need to practice staying in that place. We, as forms. Its a big trap that people, including me, sometimes say "we are already enlightened so there is nothing to do". Yes we are enlightened, but we are not the bodymind, so the bodymind needs to practice. Ultimately, you are not practicing, you are the awareness which knows, but since there is this ignorance currently that we are bodies, then those bodies must act in a way to align to the truth that we already are. Listen to the beginning of this talk also, unless you wish to keep watching after that, ofcourse, but the guidance is top notch. However the no practice bit again can be misunderstood. The person needs to practice in order to align as mentioned earlier. The first few mins are important, once you lock on to what is pointed at, just close the vid, close everything and stay with that, that is the practice. It purifies the ego.

Quote from viewer Brandon L on the latest Leo video on youtube and I find it quite intriguing. I have become more interested in the torus recently and have discovered from my research that it is a shadow of a 4d sphere, also it is the shape of the electromagnetic field of the heart so I resonate with this. I have not read it yet but sounds very interesting from the summary, so just throwing it out here, sounds like something to investigate. Thoughts? CIA Document: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

Im waiting on instructions how to attract a HWG in my life. Since I am not myself a hot witch girlfriend, I find my usual technique of "attracting what I am" is failing me Please help

What is mostly happening is bickering and snoring

Everyone coming in with the conceptual answers... Murking the sky even deeper... Rather than pointing her to rest in her own awareness that knows this... @Preety_India its not about any answer. Not even what Im writing. It's about the direct experience of you right now, which knows what I am saying. Do you agree that whether you agree to what Im saying or don't agree, you are knowing what I am saying? That knowing is what is pointed to. That is what you need to go to, not to some book or some guru and not to fill the space with some answer and then argue against that answer. Stay present as the I now. Lets cut through the bullshit like a knife. I know everyone wants to look like they know the truth and will share their profound answer, but if you are not guiding her it is easy to see that it is not an attempt to help, but to attempt to give a "correct answer" to something unanswerable. @LfcCharlie4 is showing correct understanding in his reply, because he is pointing you to a map of the Truth, not saying what the Truth is. There are other maps too, and you need to find the map you resonate with best.

It's beyond rational/logical understanding. Don't try to get an intellectual answer for the mind, because any answer is not it - the mind can hold the map, not the actual locationless I. The "locationless I" holds the mind also, that's how you know there is mind. Notice the knowing that knows experience now. Give up all you know and identify with to the knowing that knows it- the knowing that is not here or there, location itself is known to the knower (locationless i). Trust in the higher power and higher intelligence/wisdom, we are not alone in this process. Don't try to get it, I don't get it. I just follow the "northern light", but this north is in a direction that is neither up, nor down, nor in nor out... Its almost like we are talking about another dimension. (Dimension not knowable to the mind) Stay as the I am in not knowing what that is without going to the nearest object or subtle object. Be happy not knowing and do not expect to get anything out of this. Be sincere.

Lets take a step back and make things simple. I see more mindfuck than necessary. Je suis I am The quality of I am is common in all experiences and all people. The masterful Jesus had a message of staying present to the Iam being now. Not that I can be sure, but that's what I gather from my limited understanding of his teachings. When we put i in Jesus we get Jesuis, which translates to I am in french. It appears french has a pretty good pointer. Let the I ( Jesuis) get more known to the I am, by means of directing awareness on the locationless I am, rather than immediately associating the I am with a form that is localized in space and time. Notice how you always associate the I am with a form, even if you've been in nonduality for a long time... Its sometimes a very subtle form of identification with form, but its there. Now Bring some more light ? to the locationless I by staying present to the Je suis in which all forms arise and letting That know itself. I am trying to be most precise and helpful in this, i don't want to confuse anyone. Tell me if you need clarification on this "exercise". Love

Everyone has a different story. Thats why I am not really interested in stories. I am interested in what the story is written on.

Thanks, I appreciate the guidance. It's a great pointer, i think the same as what I was trying to suggest. The moon is ametaphor here tho, so this Iam im talking about is not the Iam localized in mind /body and nor ourside of mind/body. It does not have a shape and a size, its a quality. It's beingness, cannot be pointed to directly and perfectly, because it "doesnt exist" as you say. It is not a form. But you are it. I am not trying to intellectualise here too much. I want this to be practical, not theoretical. I am pointing to the gold out of which the jewels of beings are made. Not the individual jewel. So you cant say I'm missing the sky, because that's what im pointing. Otherwise I would say that the I am has a subtle individual form. Also I have not mentioned, but the small Iam which is individuated can give up all it knows, to this great Iam which is all. The JesUS which is ALLah. To give up all concepts and definitions, to not cling to a certain way. They don't get lost, there is just a resting,purifying and purging while this giving up is done. In this resting in the greater I we become ignorant, we become newborn like babies, just like every time we go to deep sleep, but fully consciously and aware. This is the communion, this is Love, this is Light and bliss. In this state of no-self we can begin to shine more light and see our connectedness with not only those who follow our pointer, but with all beings. Not just Christians or Buddhists, not just those who share our worldview, not just humans even. all beings. This is not enlightenment yet, enlightenment happens through grace, not brute force, trickery or trying. It does not happen through intellectual understanding, but the intellectual can serve as a map. "The maps is not the territory ", but without a map you are way way way more likely to get lost. That doesn't mean to cling to the map and to say no other map is valid. And also that doesn't mean all maps are valid too. I trust my intuition and my heart on these matters. I can see when there is sincerity and authenticity, and when I am fed with some distraction. It happens through surrender and its not up to me and you. It's all up to the great IAM, the sky if you will, the @Essence

Hey, what a sweeet deal. Enlightenment is like a joke. If you go about explaining it, the point is missed

I'll give you some, they are in my wish list, I haven't bought them yet. "Interior Castle" by St. Teresa of Avila "Experiencing God Directly: The Way of Christian Nonduality" "The Spiritual Guide" By Michael Molinos

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That's what anyone who clings to a particular world-view or belief will claim. It doesn't matter if the seeing was true, Jed McKenna unconsciously individuates the Truth based on his human conditioning. Truth gets filtered and becomes an approximation. You are not alone. The rational mind will distort the Truth every single time. Lets not try to explain the unexplainable, because we end up not honoring the Truth of it.

It's a nice place to post this @VeganAwake its worth a watch trust me its great

@VeganAwakeOh yeah lol, references please ! Before enlightenment : No references, after enlightenment : references Btw I see the fix of this problem here. If one doesn't see tradition as dogma and limitations, but rather as a song/poetry, we will not be having this discussion at all. So sure, time doesnt exist and etc but there is still a lot of beauty in songs and poetry, and those happen in time really and are enjoyed for what they are, even if they are not ultimately real. Illusion of phenomena is beautiful and should not be suppressed, should be embraced <3

You should check out the Bhagavad Gita (The song of the Lord) for the correct Advaita Vedanta teachings. You also may want to watch the commentary of Ira Schepetin on youtube on it too. Do not throw away the baby with the bathwater by saying traditional approach is wrong and direct approach is wrong. Both are right and wrong and neither lel, you are committing the same fallacy by posting this, as if this text is now the absolute wisdom we should follow. Hehe let me ask you who knows this no-one that realises there is nothing to seek?

You did not read the other side of my post? Oh ok. I see. You are right, because you are right. No amount of logic can change that you think there is no logical connection between Jesus and Je suis. Notice how Jesus says Before Abraham was, I AM (not I was) Why is he saying it in present tense? Because he is talking about the reality beyond space and time. He is talking about the universal I am. Really you saying there is no logic between them does not mean that you have let me "in peace with my lack of logic" because I know the logic behind what I am saying and I am presenting it clearly for anyone with eyes to see. My conscience is clear, it is not up to me whether you get what I say, just don't be so arrogant to just dismiss what I'm saying and keep repeating your old story. Its ok that you thought there is no logic, but why go out of your way to ignore my explanation of how there is logic? To fit your original narrative, that's why. Have a good day too!

Je Suis does mean "I am" in french. Jesus pointed that the I am in him is the I am of all. Do you see the logical connection now? At least I see it as logical, for me. Again, if he did not teach that, that's my mistake, but you can see why I find the connection. Please have more patience. I honor that you are feeling a bit triggered, but shouting "I am right" and then leaving the room is not something which shows much respect to Truth.

It is my understanding, be it erroneous or not, that Jesus taught that the Self in him is the Self in all. And that his true Self is beyond form, beyond space and beyond time. I am not a bible scholar and do not want to talk on a fundamentalist level and I am not obsessed with language used. You call this a theory, but I am not trying to present a theory here.. Call it a happy synchronicity. It really is missing the point to call this a theory. It's more of using the value of different symbols to point to that same isness/being in all. I could have just as easily wrote this thread as: The "I am" in you is the "I am" in Jesus and the "I am" in Buddha. It is not something to be believed its a pointing to an actual seeing now. Can you not go past thinking that I want to present to you some gospel here?

Yes, I could have used any other enlightened master. But this post was spontaneous. It just appeared as inspirational, not something I am trying to imply or to put as Jesus's teaching or intention. It's not a teaching, it's a pointing that somehow felt clear to me, but it seems you are interpreting it the wrong way, because you are trying to defend a strawman Jesus, rather than look at the Christ Consciousness which is here now and Jesus (for me) was all about. It's about actualizing the actual i, its not about the label that is used to get there. I only used this label, because it is associated with Truth. I know that fundamental Christians do not gel with mystical Christianity and deny the direct teachings of Jesus, because they are seen as gnostic rather than faith-based.

Do not fixate on the finger pointing at the moon. My post is not about how Jesus literally means I am and that's why he had this name. No. And I am aware that french comes after Jesus. That does not mean that Je suis is still not a great pointer. @Preety_India notice how you talk about the "I am" pointed at here as some "I am" that is associated with a body or any other sort of localized identity (ego). Hence you think I am talking about an egoic I am which is associated with one person rather than all. What is being pointed at here is the identity of All, the gold out of which all jewels are made, the ever present mystery. Please re-read the post without thinking I am making some claims about a historical figure or about language, but rather try to follow what is being pointed at, as a present moment reality of your very own existence. The Je suis pointed to here is not the form identity (i.e. I am a bracelet) but the quality identity (i.e. I am gold and so is the ring over there and the other bracelet, even if they look different to the way I look and even if they say and believe different things)