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1:34:30 "I am not immune from self deception" I am very glad you say this. I want to present to you something rather obvious that would contradict your realisation about your parents being imaginary and this solipsistic view of reality. Rupert Spira has this simple question "Are you aware?" that he presents to people. When answered truthfully, everyone must respond "Yes" to this question, including your parents. We go on to investigate - what could be aware, other than awareness itself? So it appears awareness is aware-ing in multiple different packages / points of view. You as Leo's first person point of view is just one of many different packages. Your parents are other packaging of the same stuff. Since this stuff, consciousness, is location-less and property-less, we do not see it in others as we verify our own awareness in our own experience. We cannot verify that others are awareness, but they can and we can believe them. I certainly believe that you have a direct experience just as I do, even if I will never be aware of it directly. So saying your parents are imaginary is to say that they are not Awareness itself. But they are, because they are aware.

1:04:00 you talk about Christianity , and how we can make anything dangerous when we misunderstand etc.. But in Christianity in particular there is a safeguard rail. It is very commonly known for Christians that if you commit suicide you won't be allowed in the kingdom of Heaven. Basically exactly what SoonHei was looking for with that jump - to find/ be in heaven itself. If he believed a little bit that what Christianity is saying is relevant, it would have challenged his idea that jumping would get him quick access to that. He would probably be here if he had more of a Christian background and had this doubt about the suicide being "Good", because there is "nowhere else to go". About "Repent and you will be allowed in Heaven" being like a visa to do anything, it might appear like that, sure.. But I have had an insight about that one... How would one feel, when in Heaven, knowing that they don't deserve it... It would not be a good feeling and it would make heaven into a kind of hell, where you are like an undeserving dirt. I want to deserve it even a little bit, and using Jesus' sacrifice as a visa to do anything is not part of that. I know I do sin and I have a sinful nature, but I am not actively trying to be that. I attempt my best, but I am not going to be perfect in this human form. All that is wanted of us is to do our best. Our best is definitely not to say "Well since Jesus died for my sins, lets go and sin for the lols" This is not a critique on your teachings, it is a critique of your critique of Christianity.

@Leo Gura Absolutely agree with this. We cannot all have the same opinions on everything and it would stunt growth if we all were just circlejerking each other. I don't like to argue. If I disagree with something or don't partake in it, it doesn't mean I put it in the garbage pile and know its bad/wrong. I have a section in my mind under question mark and these things I do not agree with might later be changed - or not. I love Leos work on self inquiry and I believe there should be tolerance and room for practicing spirituality without using psychedelics and still using this forum. That said, I am a user of -5meo-THC which is considered a mild psychedelic. Regarding Leo's teachings about death, from my understanding, put simply, he does not support or encourage suicide, because he talks about how this experience now, including the experience of having a body, is actually nothingness /death itself. So one would only want to get rid of the body to experience death if they believed they are not already dead. Leo's teachings are absolutely the opposite. If you do not identify with the body, why so eager to get rid of it? If you're already dead, why the need to experience "conscious death". Etc, etc.. When realising you're not your car, you wouldn't smash your car to bits, it is still a useful tool. It does, however, make it easier to let go of the car when it's time comes, which is a positive. The problem comes when the milk (truth) gets mixed with the poison of the egoic mind and create a story that appears to be true, because it looks like milk...

Great question, even though probably shouldn't be in this thread.. That depends, is your cousin aware? See for you it might not have happened, but for him it has, since he is awareness also, not just you. You are both holding space and have different equally real or unreal experiences.

29 minutes ago, @tuckerwphotography said: You cannot say "No, there is not". You have no way of knowing, as we cannot access what is beyond here and now. Some assume there is something (matter) because it appears like that. Others assume there is nothing, because there is no direct experiential evidence of anything outside of Here-Now-Awareness. but the correct response to such a question should not be to label the unknown/unknowable mystery as something or nothing, but to be true to what we actually know and label it with question mark or Mu. It is a mystery and will remain a mystery. We like to know things, but I had a major breakthrough when I changed this little assumption of knowing what is beyond us (or lack of such a thing) when if we are honest, as conscious awareness, we do not.

The thing is you are talking in general, when in this case the person was not in suffering. He did it for the opposite reason. He wanted to use the fact that he is conscious/aware and make sure to die consciously and with high spirits... Perhaps he thought that it will give him a door towards eternal life, and he probably thought if he didn't do it, he might die unconsciously by mistake and miss it. This is what I gather from all this...

Well you didn't get my post, because I said I can verify it through conversation. If the entity im talking t does not have a direct experience I will find out. Im clever that way and can spot Ai from real consciousness.

He had a lot of truth in there, but milk mixed up with poison is still not it. Everything else makes sense but his conclusion to jump. Seeking eternal life, he gave up something even more precious, precious because of it's impermanence. You have forever to be the Self, but only a lifetime to be this human. Make the most of it..

If we sit in a room together, we can prove to each other that our bubble of experience is different to the other. And you will see the other has no way of saying what they're saying if they didn't have direct experience over their bubble of experience and that it's content is different. You don't need direct experience over other bubbles to intuit and confirm their reality through conversation. Some things cannot be talked about accurately in a dynamic situation without direct experience. I believe that If one is to believe only their bubble is real and there are no other bubbles of experience ( you only have evidence of your bubble directly) then they have accessed Spiritual Ego and this is very dangerous.

I believe it is possible that he is still alive in another dimension from what I've seen how reality works in some experiences... Perhaps he is still alive from his POV, on another dimensional Earth (for him would be the same Earth) and he has changed his timeline completely through that act and is out of this particular one... I am not certain of this, but I believe its possible.. I actually believe it has happened to me before, but I am only speculating, no proof of this.

I do not think he was airy fairy, I think he was very deep in the direction of the absolute, but unfortunately he needed to get more relative teaching in there to ground himself in. It's about a dance between absolute and relative for me. The way I see it, even if this is a dream, it is a pretty lucid one and usually if you reach such lucidity in a dream you don't really want to wake up from it, unless you are suffering. It is weird to me that he wanted to change the dream because he was not suffering. There is no guarantee what the next dream will be and whether it will be as lucid, or that there even will be one.. Really unfortunate, I wish I had gotten to him somehow and talked to him about how important the relative aspect of life is as well. He will be the True Self forever, but true beauty comes in impermanence.... There is no rush to get rid of bodymind since we cannot be separated from the True Self anyway. And the bodymind is one of those impermanent diamonds that should be appreciated while lasting.

he wanted to get to the next dream, he was ready to let go of the body and be everything, consciousness itself. Where else can he be? Like Ramana Maharshi, so is SoonHei everywhere around us. But I would have delayed it. The problem.is he perceived reality as a dream as I see it. And in the dream only you are real and the rest are figments of your imagination. So you live as the main character in your movie dream and then go to the next... Now they are the ones who will suffer... And likely him, if in the afterlife he realises it was a big mistake he can't change

Look its not that simple. I get you and your point of view. But having been there, the actual realness of these things and events is of the same lucidity level as me writing to you right now and on the same waking level of experience. In my response to you I only skim the surfice of what happened, because its a long story, so I just said "forces of darkness" to shorten the story. I will tell you why I call them that, in short: Me, with light body, running on the street, rising vibration and intuition. I intuit one man was about to sleep with a little girl and pulled him with superhuman strength, as I wanted to help her. Then he ran away and suddenly a guy appears out of nowhere, hits me on the back and I start running again, as I was very fast. But then police appeared out of nowhere - no cars nothing, pointing a gun at me to stop, and I did. Then they put handcuffs on me and put me in a van. The handcuffs were so painful, they were created to stop someone with an activated light body... The pain was so sharp, it was like burning. The back of the van was moving in a way to harm me. Nothing outside the van was generated and I thought that this is it- the devil got me and now I will be tortured, so I wanted to end it - i placed my head on the ground, expecting to smash my head from the "bumpy ride" and as soon as I did that, there was no longer any bumps, just smooth road. Does this seem like normal stuff? Well it did happen and I am not making it up. Trust me or dont, but there are things out there we might not understand, but are real af.

I can totally understand what he means and I would love to speak to him about these stuff. I've had literally so much similar experience as this. This 5th dimension would explain a lot of the crazyness that I was experiencing. I have seen flies that do not exist in "normal reality" and beings that pretended to be people, who had a connected consciousness and I thought were either aliens or really advanced AI. There were also a situation in which I was supposed to do something and the two girls there, after my inaction, were very disappointed at the "Jesus" they had been given. And the very reason I was there in the first place was because I had asked for light body activation and was able to live without eating and sleeping, after which some stuff happened and the forces of darkness captured me and started bounding me. Can it really be a mental illness if it is an experience that is repeatable? How can both Connor and me have an experience of being Christ and 5d experiences? Seems to me like it is a spiritual reality rather than a mental illness.

I believe there is actually a link. I had attempted a suicide long time ago, because I was actually fine with the idea of moving on. I was not afraid of death, took the rat poison and laid there, only for my mother to come in and find out what happened, then took me to the hospital... Leos stuff are very radical and can be misunderstood and misused. I wouldn't blame him, because he can't control how others would perceive an insight that he's had, which might very well be true.

That I can believe. I've had similar experiences and there are forces that can do things like that, trust me... The rabbit hole is deep... You call it madman, but he experienced it... What if something out of the ordinary happens to you and then nobody would believe you... But it did happen, clear as day... I've seen and communicated with entities that could read my mind and were translating via some gadgets to get my identity and where I am from, because I wouldn't speak.... Later on, one of the guys there told me that "Everyone here works for the government, don't trust them, even the good ones, they are the worst". Hehe weird

Spot on. I was tackling this exact issue on another thread earlier about Leo being imagined by us. Solipsism, believing only your experience is real and others are NPC characters/ dream characters would literally allow for you to do anything and call it good. We need to spot things like these on the forum and challenge such views no matter if Leo has said something similar. It seems SoonHei wanted to change his dream, but in doing so he would bring so much pain on his family.. He has babies omg... Did he really consider them dream characters without their own Consciousness and didn't postpone his journey... Seems like he put his faith in the wrong thing. Here's what SoonHei wrote to me once when I inquired about his avatar as it seemed like it had deep meaning to me - and it did. It is this exact solipsistic view, and it ended badly, from this dimension's point of view, I guess. I do believe there is an "other side" however and he might be totally OK right now. Can't confirm though.. @SoonHei I am tagging you on this one so you could read your brother's explanation to me, maybe you will understand what he believed in/investigated.

I am really sad to hear, I remember his responses were very profound and he aided me when I was experiencing psychosis. His pointers helped me a lot... And I even had him as friend on Facebook. His guidance was very mystical and I believe he was very woke. I guess it was time for him to go to the next level, whatever that is. Rest in Peace Soonhei <3

Lets go I want in on the action too hahaha!! Yeah to those who claim they can do anything etc, pls do that, its infinitely possible that me and Raptorsin get 5mil each... But why end at 5mil.. Can be 5 mil per day? I am eagerly awaiting. oh no, I just remembered , this desire is way too egoic and polluted with my own survival stuff so its not gonna work. It is infinite possibilities, but take out the egoic possibilities. So instead of the 5mil lets make it from today no cancer to anyone yesss and covid is DONE. No more viruses. For the greater good of all. Tomorrow we watch the news and celebrate. <3 luv Masks will be banned, for the greater good of all, Amen. Now we can breathe again and not get injected with dodgy stuff to protect us from our own imagination.

That tetherball analysis is fun. I am sure you experienced something profound and it made a lot of sense to you, but you have no way of knowing what is outside of your direct experience... So claiming there aren't any other bubbles is the same degree of mistake as saying there are other bubbles. We can say "We do not know if there are other bubbles, but we can assume from experience there are" I know that you, right now, are looking at a screen to read this comment, yes? I am looking at a screen to type this comment. I am using hands to type up this comment - you are using your eyes to read it. That is an interaction between 2 distinct entities - with different experiences and different ideas and different insights. These are two completely different experiences, yes? You have access to one of the two yes? My experience of typing this comment is never going to register for you, for you, this experience doesn't exist, but for me it does. And vice versa, I don't haveaccess to the experience of you reading it, but I know/assume such an experience exists. Only you can verify that for me, but I would have to trust /believe your word, which I would. We might be the same non-entity, the same emptiness at the root of consciousness, but when you say "I", it is not the emptiness that says it, it is you, through your bodymind organism that says it. And that one is different to this one, even though connected by the only real space of Now. Our ultimate/absolute identity is the Now, so as that we can say there is only One, but, on the relative level there are more than a trillion different bubbles of experience within that Now...

Hang on just another second.. So you assumed I dream just like you.. Why did you do that? You can only do that if you assume I also have experience of the 3 states waking dream and sleep such as yourself? I thought only you have an experience! Do you think im just pretending and saying things when in reality only your experience now is real? Cmon bruh! It's nice that I can be tricked in a dream state, but even having the dream proves I have direct experience, so your example falls flat on its face!

But I cannot have such a dream. I know you say "imagine" but In dreams, unless its a "dream" in the spiritual plane, characters trully do not have a direct experience and hence cannot give me such deep account of what direct experience is like. If they did have a direct experience too, I would've already met another "dreamer" in my dreams and lucid dream together and then meet in real life.... Or if not a dreamer, I would've known they have direct experience by the way they act. They do not. Thats also why in dreams I can with clear conscience kill someone and I've done it - and I know I did not cause harm. Or sleep with someone in public, or get naked without being ashamed.. The dream analogy is just a diversion, a way for your false belief to keep its power.

That's the solipsistic madness. Yes its true you cannot verify others have direct experience like you, but you can notice it in others. I can easily test any robot by asking questions and know if they have direct experience or are just programmed to respond. If you don't see others have a direct experience also, whats stopping you from killing them? That bunny over there, it doesn't have an experience, why not torture it for the lols? No man you can easily see others have direct experience also. For me I cannot verfiy that you have a direct experience through my direct experience, but you see that I am wrong if I say "you don't have a direct experience, only me" - right? May I ask you, how can I write these words and know they are accurate if I didn't know what direct experience is like by experiencing it? You don't have a direct experience over globular Earth, but mosy likely you believe it is globular as they say, right? Ps: your experience is what is relevant to you, so by all means don't think about other's experiences, but you can't deny they exist, even without first hand evidence. You have to really overthink and be radical to say your experience is the only reality. It is the only reality FOR YOU, but everyone else has a different one lol. All of our different experiences are connected by thw same field of Now, thats the One Reality without a second - not your point of view only.

@Inliytened1 with trillions of different experiences (that we know of, when we include animals and insects, and when we include animals who are now extinct or are yet to evolve), can we really say the words Experience is king when we know King is The One, not the many? If there is only One experience I could agree. Might be more right to say Being is King.

Hallelujah ? Then you check your reputation and nowhere to be found ?